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  • abc said:

    Glen said:

    Glen said:

    ZiLi said:

    Dont know if this was mentioned already but I really dont wanna look thru all the comments to find out. Can someone tell me which wind and fire sovereign Linley kills and scenario involved? Why those two sovereigns? Was it easy? How did other sovereigns react?



    I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate because this is from different spoilers:

    First is the wind sovereign which already appears in the translated chapters ( Teresia), at the end of book 20 he tries to kill linley (cause linley has all 3 overgod talismans) so in book 21 Linley kills him (reason Revenge), and yeah he should kill him easy because after that Chief sovereign of Wind tries to arrest/kill linley but finds out that he can't, so multiple important sovereigns come and judge Linley (innocent).

    He kills the fire sovereign in the last battle with the Chief sovereign of Fate (not sure who the fire sovereign was but he tried to sneak attack linley when he was fighting Fate, or something similar, the reason was greed for Linley's OP sword).



    Judge Linley?!
    Lower Sovereign kills other Lower Sovereign!
    As i understand there shouldn't be any rules restricting to do this!
    But for Chief Sovereign act against Lower Sovereign (Linley), this is against Rules!
    But of course this RULES was set up by Sovereigns themselves, so they don't afraid to break rules!



    Yes they are afraid to break them. If they do then the 4 chief edicts sovereign would kill them. The reason why the chief wind sovereign attacked Linley is because he wanted linley's overgod artifact.
    Why didn't they judge Chief Sovereign of wind for killing attempt of Linley?!

    AS for Overgod artifact! If owner dies, it will not go back to Overgod? Like with Sovereigns artifacts?!
    nope overgods are simply like a monitor system they have no consciousness or will (as in the ability to make choices). they just follow what they were meant to do like a computer program. so they don't care about the artifacts
    i agree ... they only follow rules encoded to them ... i think they'll kill sovereigns when sovereigns destroys(enter) material plane..
    yep one of the only things IET confirmed lol
  • ha088 said:

    what chapter does linley make the wish to get a overlord weapon

    book 21, chapter 1 or 2 i believe..
  • Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!
  • Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
  • abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    Wasn't Oliver only saint when he got in coma and become soul mutated?!
  • abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    you don't have to have clones in all elements/edicts but you DO need to have affinity and probably a basic understanding in all elements/edicts. afterall, your soul has to have at least some of that essense in it to be able to mutate with that element/edict. olivier gained 2 way soul mutate as a saint because he studied the laws of light and dark. he didn't mutate to anything else. it's possible that linley could be a 5 way mutate, but im pretty sure that IET already long tossed out the destruction path.
  • Vexram said:

    abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    you don't have to have clones in all elements/edicts but you DO need to have affinity and probably a basic understanding in all elements/edicts. afterall, your soul has to have at least some of that essense in it to be able to mutate with that element/edict. olivier gained 2 way soul mutate as a saint because he studied the laws of light and dark. he didn't mutate to anything else. it's possible that linley could be a 5 way mutate, but im pretty sure that IET already long tossed out the destruction path.
    So this is plan:
    1) Feed a Saint with 1 profound strip from each LAW.
    2) Try to make him soul mutate. (attack him).
    3) If he mutates - success.
    4) If he don't - go to step 1.
  • Glen said:

    Vexram said:

    abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    you don't have to have clones in all elements/edicts but you DO need to have affinity and probably a basic understanding in all elements/edicts. afterall, your soul has to have at least some of that essense in it to be able to mutate with that element/edict. olivier gained 2 way soul mutate as a saint because he studied the laws of light and dark. he didn't mutate to anything else. it's possible that linley could be a 5 way mutate, but im pretty sure that IET already long tossed out the destruction path.
    So this is plan:
    1) Feed a Saint with 1 profound strip from each LAW.
    2) Try to make him soul mutate. (attack him).
    3) If he mutates - success.
    4) If he don't - go to step 1.
    Problem with this is the process to get the soul strips(actual name). When Linley learned that Bebe got soul strips from Beirut, he also learned how difficult it is to create them. Only someone with at least Asura level(or maybe just 7-star fiend, can't remember) or higher can create them, and even then it's super difficult and takes a lot of time. Beirut even said that he had to pay a crap load just to get the 6 soul strips for Bebe.
  • Sitrix said:

    Glen said:

    Vexram said:

    abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    you don't have to have clones in all elements/edicts but you DO need to have affinity and probably a basic understanding in all elements/edicts. afterall, your soul has to have at least some of that essense in it to be able to mutate with that element/edict. olivier gained 2 way soul mutate as a saint because he studied the laws of light and dark. he didn't mutate to anything else. it's possible that linley could be a 5 way mutate, but im pretty sure that IET already long tossed out the destruction path.
    So this is plan:
    1) Feed a Saint with 1 profound strip from each LAW.
    2) Try to make him soul mutate. (attack him).
    3) If he mutates - success.
    4) If he don't - go to step 1.
    Problem with this is the process to get the soul strips(actual name). When Linley learned that Bebe got soul strips from Beirut, he also learned how difficult it is to create them. Only someone with at least Asura level(or maybe just 7-star fiend, can't remember) or higher can create them, and even then it's super difficult and takes a lot of time. Beirut even said that he had to pay a crap load just to get the 6 soul strips for Bebe.
    Beirut can sell Sovereign Might! He is Sovereign! so there are no problems with money!
  • edited October 2015
    Glen said:

    Sitrix said:

    Glen said:

    Vexram said:

    abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    you don't have to have clones in all elements/edicts but you DO need to have affinity and probably a basic understanding in all elements/edicts. afterall, your soul has to have at least some of that essense in it to be able to mutate with that element/edict. olivier gained 2 way soul mutate as a saint because he studied the laws of light and dark. he didn't mutate to anything else. it's possible that linley could be a 5 way mutate, but im pretty sure that IET already long tossed out the destruction path.
    So this is plan:
    1) Feed a Saint with 1 profound strip from each LAW.
    2) Try to make him soul mutate. (attack him).
    3) If he mutates - success.
    4) If he don't - go to step 1.
    Problem with this is the process to get the soul strips(actual name). When Linley learned that Bebe got soul strips from Beirut, he also learned how difficult it is to create them. Only someone with at least Asura level(or maybe just 7-star fiend, can't remember) or higher can create them, and even then it's super difficult and takes a lot of time. Beirut even said that he had to pay a crap load just to get the 6 soul strips for Bebe.
    Beirut can sell Sovereign Might! He is Sovereign! so there are no problems with money!
    there is still a problem cause it is hard to find a saint that have reach the bottleneck of a profound mystery. cause they need to begin doing the extraction right at that moment, as soon as the saint have passed the bottleneck it will not be possible anymore

    Edit: and according to your plan they will need to find saints that have reach the bottleneck of one of the more difficult to train profound mysteries than the ordinary ones like elemental essences 

  • Mr_Lu said:

    Glen said:

    Sitrix said:

    Glen said:

    Vexram said:

    abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws
    you don't have to have clones in all elements/edicts but you DO need to have affinity and probably a basic understanding in all elements/edicts. afterall, your soul has to have at least some of that essense in it to be able to mutate with that element/edict. olivier gained 2 way soul mutate as a saint because he studied the laws of light and dark. he didn't mutate to anything else. it's possible that linley could be a 5 way mutate, but im pretty sure that IET already long tossed out the destruction path.
    So this is plan:
    1) Feed a Saint with 1 profound strip from each LAW.
    2) Try to make him soul mutate. (attack him).
    3) If he mutates - success.
    4) If he don't - go to step 1.
    Problem with this is the process to get the soul strips(actual name). When Linley learned that Bebe got soul strips from Beirut, he also learned how difficult it is to create them. Only someone with at least Asura level(or maybe just 7-star fiend, can't remember) or higher can create them, and even then it's super difficult and takes a lot of time. Beirut even said that he had to pay a crap load just to get the 6 soul strips for Bebe.
    Beirut can sell Sovereign Might! He is Sovereign! so there are no problems with money!
    there is still a problem cause it is hard to find a saint that have reach the bottleneck of a profound mystery. cause they need to begin doing the extraction right at that moment, as soon as the saint have passed the bottleneck it will not be possible anymore

    Edit: and according to your plan they will need to find saints that have reach the bottleneck of one of the more difficult to train profound mysteries than the ordinary ones like elemental essences 

    From what i understand of what he's saying any saint will do since he doesn't need to make him a deity he just needs a little energy of the law after all Oliver wasn't at bottleneck at all when he became a soul mutant.
  • This discussion about being a soul mutate in all laws an editcs is pointless.

    Being a soul mutate with four clones is almost impossible, Linley only succeced thanks to his plot armor, forget about 5 clones or more
  • edited October 2015
    haha. and just think. just a 4 way mutate like linley is only a level or 2 below sovereigns. a 7 way mutate is probably guaranteed to automatically become a sovereign. and an 11 way mutate is probably automatically a universe creator.

    this is probably the reason why IET made mutates higher than 3 impossible without plot armor.
  • abcabc
    edited October 2015

  • abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws




    Author never clarified how soul mutation works nor the rules to add a new law/edit to an already mutated soul, so from that, anything's possible.

    Linley is now a 4-way mutate, if he gets another clone (the long teased about destruction one) or merge his original body with a divine spark, does that make him a 5-way mutate or only 4-way + 1extra unmergeable one ?

    Very hard to say without IET's input, but based on the fact he only had clones of Wind, Earth and Water when undergoing mutation, but Fire was able to join them later and still merge, I wouldn't rule out that possibility (although an arguable point is that he already had insight in fire at that point, despite the clone not being present)

    So, for a saint level soul mutate (or any other level soul mutate for that matter), whether feeding him soul strips in each of the missing law/edit can result in a 11-way mutate, that's a question only the Universe Creator answer ;)

     

     

    B-)

  • abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws




    Author never clarified how soul mutation works nor the rules to add a new law/edit to an already mutated soul, so from that, anything's possible.

    Linley is now a 4-way mutate, if he gets another clone (the long teased about destruction one) or merge his original body with a divine spark, does that make him a 5-way mutate or only 4-way + 1extra unmergeable one ?

    Very hard to say without IET's input, but based on the fact he only had clones of Wind, Earth and Water when undergoing mutation, but Fire was able to join them later and still merge, I wouldn't rule out that possibility (although an arguable point is that he already had insight in fire at that point, despite the clone not being present)

    So, for a saint level soul mutate (or any other level soul mutate for that matter), whether feeding him soul strips in each of the missing law/edit can result in a 11-way mutate, that's a question only the Universe Creator answer ;)

     

     

    B-)

    Just no, a 4-way mutation is impossible (except for plot armor) so forget about 5 or more, period.
  • El_vago said:

    abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws




    Author never clarified how soul mutation works nor the rules to add a new law/edit to an already mutated soul, so from that, anything's possible.

    Linley is now a 4-way mutate, if he gets another clone (the long teased about destruction one) or merge his original body with a divine spark, does that make him a 5-way mutate or only 4-way + 1extra unmergeable one ?

    Very hard to say without IET's input, but based on the fact he only had clones of Wind, Earth and Water when undergoing mutation, but Fire was able to join them later and still merge, I wouldn't rule out that possibility (although an arguable point is that he already had insight in fire at that point, despite the clone not being present)

    So, for a saint level soul mutate (or any other level soul mutate for that matter), whether feeding him soul strips in each of the missing law/edit can result in a 11-way mutate, that's a question only the Universe Creator answer ;)

     

     

    B-)

    Just no, a 4-way mutation is impossible (except for plot armor) so forget about 5 or more, period.
    Technically, as long as Linley materialize his sparks outside his body, he has the possibility of Soul Mutation, not that it would definitely happen, but a lesser genius like Olivier did it, chances of Linley doing it are infinitely higher. 

    Just my two cents. 

    Besides, I would anticipate that with 2 already in-hand Overgod Talismans, and one-to-be, I would trust Linley would become a Sovereign pretty soon, with an Overgod Artifect of his own.

    The Almighty Froppy
  • edited October 2015
    In book 9 chapter 19, Hodan said that the divine planes were created by the seven principals sovereigns, but Hemmers and Reisgem's Mother were created by the plane itself, it implies that sovereigns can create life forms?
    But only Overgods or UC can create life forms or am I wrong?
    Can someone clarify my mind?
    Edit: Infernal Realm was created by an Overgod which means that he can create amethyst beast.
  • Murakoshi said:

    In book 9 chapter 19, Hodan said that the divine planes were created by the seven principals sovereigns, but Hemmers and Reisgem's Mother were created by the plane itself, it implies that sovereigns can create life forms?
    But only Overgods or UC can create life forms or am I wrong?
    Can someone clarify my mind?
    Edit: Infernal Realm was created by an Overgod which means that he can create amethyst beast.
    Chief Sovereigns can create life forms.
    HOWEVER, Hemmers and the Redbud Sovereign were created by the plane itself, when a huuuuuge amount of dense divine power "mutated" a small mountain and that turned into a person.

    Just imagine Hemmers and the Redbud Sovereign being Divine Beasts (Redbud actually is).
  • edited October 2015
    I don't know about the chapters that are to come but reading all those spoilers I came to this: 

    => why didn't linley changed his wish of / from [(wich one should I use in this case?)] "bring back to live to grandpa" (because the Overgod couldn't do it) to "set free and bring back my mother"? <=

    sorry if I wrote something or everything wrong ^^
  • lettosk said:

    I don't know about the chapters that are to come but reading all those spoilers I came to this: 


    => why didn't linley changed his wish of / from [(wich one should I use in this case?)] "bring back to live to grandpa" (because the Overgod couldn't do it) to "set free and bring back my mother"? <=

    sorry if I wrote something or everything wrong ^^
    Because IET wrote it like that.
    There's no other awnser to that question.
  • abc said:

    Glen said:

    Hm,
    Theoretically if you become soul-mutate (like Oliver, when he still was Saint), you can ask Beirut to provide all profound strips of all LAWS :)
    And here you get soul-mutate in all LAWS!

    you cant be soul mutate in all laws .. unless you have clones on all laws and undergo soul mutation ... oliver can only have light and darkness soul mutate even if he gain understanding in another laws .... he need to undergo another mutation to include new laws




    Author never clarified how soul mutation works nor the rules to add a new law/edit to an already mutated soul, so from that, anything's possible.

    Linley is now a 4-way mutate, if he gets another clone (the long teased about destruction one) or merge his original body with a divine spark, does that make him a 5-way mutate or only 4-way + 1extra unmergeable one ?

    Very hard to say without IET's input, but based on the fact he only had clones of Wind, Earth and Water when undergoing mutation, but Fire was able to join them later and still merge, I wouldn't rule out that possibility (although an arguable point is that he already had insight in fire at that point, despite the clone not being present)

    So, for a saint level soul mutate (or any other level soul mutate for that matter), whether feeding him soul strips in each of the missing law/edit can result in a 11-way mutate, that's a question only the Universe Creator answer ;)

     

     

    B-)

    from the way linley's soul mutation was described. it seemed like his soul mutated based on the essenses his soul absorbed during the process. my guess is something similar happened to olivier and so they are limited to the mutation of the essenses at the time. thats why linley's fire clone also mutated when he returned to his original body. most likely, any more clones except maybe destruction would probably not be mutates unless it's his original body that fuses with the spark. (technically linley is a 5 way mutate since his original body's soul is also a mutate). but as you said IET never went into detail on mutates and all mutates so far don't have an original body to experiment with linley does but as we know linley doesn't form any more clones.


    lettosk said:

    I don't know about the chapters that are to come but reading all those spoilers I came to this: 


    => why didn't linley changed his wish of / from [(wich one should I use in this case?)] "bring back to live to grandpa" (because the Overgod couldn't do it) to "set free and bring back my mother"? <=

    sorry if I wrote something or everything wrong ^^
    i'll explain it to you in some of the simplest ways possible.

    way 1. plot.
    way 2. plot demands MC's to do really stupid things at times to keep the story from being too simple and straight forward
    way 3. linley values uber weapons more than family.
    way 4. only linley matters, everyone else, even bebe is just fodder for his greatness. all abord the linley train, he can pull everyone to the top. (seriously, after linley got that black stone space, it bascially became a one man show of linley doing everything. oh sure it seemed like bebe helped here and there but really he's just holding linley back.)
  • edited October 2015
    What exactly happens to the guy with the red diamond? 
    I mean the one who escaped with his wife to the material plane. 
    Does he just toss the diamond or will he get his ass beaten black and blue by paragons? 

    And why is this guy even so dumb as to keep the fucking diamond. I mean there is no profit.
    1. He shoves it in ring and destroys it. -> gets killed
    2. Sells it for example to someone. -> Someone just goes after him and kills him. Since it is stated sovereign power is 100 times stronger than divine power getting sovereigns might is not really helpful since if someone does have 3 laws fused he is 100 times stronger than unfused laws high god which would be the same as zero fused laws plus sovereigns might and someone with 4 laws fused (7 star fiend) could simply kill him. And just think about it. You know there is a high god with 0 fused laws and 50 drops of sovereigns might on some material plane he is just a walking piggy bank waiting to get killed so there will be 100% someone to follow him because he does either want his sovereigns might or just because he did not sell it to the person following him now to kill him. 

    I can only see death waiting for him by every option other to toss the diamond before going to material plane. Well shit even tossing it to the soldiers who are at the portal is better than taking it with him.

    Just imagine if you by chance get to take over a Ohio-class submarine. Well you can terrorize the world quite good but I dare you to ever step out of your submarine you will be fucked up really bad and death is most likely the best possible end you can hope for. And all because you thought you were some kind of big shot because you had some firepower you normally do not have and would most probably never have been able to get. Well you can argument that you wanted to go out with a bang and be remembered but oh shit you even brought your beloved wife onto the submarine because why not, your goal of escaping every after happily with her won't be disturbed by some minor detail like this.

    Well this idiot did exactly this. I mean following my example he could have gotten his wife to safety without trying to be big shot with submarine. ^.^ I just have sometimes my problems with the problem solving skills of some characters. xD
  • @noob,

    truthfully. there was no 'safe' way for him to get rid of the item. if he just threw it away somehow, somewhere. well people are still gonna chase after him first. then probably kill him since they'll think he's lying or be really pissed at him for not having it.

    he can't sell or give it away since that will also have drawbacks. such as the person he gives it to killing him to keep the info secret.

    so basically unless he meets a really nice person to give it to, like linley, he's fucked. of course he could have sacrificed his highgod clone to get rid of the thing but that would be way too smart of a thing to do and plot demands idiocy.

    i saw you mention the 50 drops of sov's might. just to let you know. the dude didn't get anything from linley and he only had one highgod clone that was killed. his god clone was looooooong gone by then. so he's not a walking piggy bank of sov's might.


  • AH ok. That first I could not understand how he got the money to use the teleportation array since he never received Linley's ring. At first I thought there was a huge plot hole on how he got the money. I mean, the ring cannot just be send from one clone to another. Since the only time he paid a fee (that we know of) is when he went back to his material plane. Going from material plane to the Fate Plane is free. He has killed a six star fiend (leader of his tribe that stole his wife) and others that were chasing him so I guess that was enough for at least (from what we know) one use of the teleportation array.
  • when does linley kill a paragon and when does he get the diomand.
  • edited October 2015
    i dont think he kills any paragon, he just injures Clementine and takes diamond from him...

    this book ends with Life Overgod's summon and it is 48 or 49 chapters.
    i am guessing another 5-7 chapters and we should get to the bottom of this diamond thing...

    edit: OK, i checked, chapter 43... Linley kicks Clementine's butt in chapter 42 and takes it in chapter 43....
  • when does linley become a sovergin 
  • ha088 said:

    when does linley become a sovergin 

    early next book like within first 5 chapters according to spoilers
    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" - Sherlock Holmes
  • ha088 said:

    when does linley become a sovergin 

    after he gets his overgod weapon .. he thinks thats its useless to him because he is not a sovereign and ask beirut and bluefire what to do .. then you know whats next!!
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