Goku Versus emperor domination verse?

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  • dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.
  • dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
  • edited September 2018
    dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
    Bro, As i said Goku is as not as strong as his fan base thinks him 2 be.
    He gets ill and a heart virus could kill him.
    Have you heard any novel mc dying to a  heart virus while being a cultivator?
    Answer is no, The MC cultivators of any wuxia would have eaten the same virus as nourishment, to which Goku died in the history of trunks movie.
  • edited September 2018
    dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
    Bro, As i said Goku is as not as strong as his fan base thinks him 2 be.
    He gets ill and a heart virus could kill him.
    Have you heard any novel mc dying to a  heart virus while being a cultivator?
    Answer is no, The MC cultivators of any wuxia would have eaten the same virus as nourishment, to which Goku died in the history of trunks movie.
    While what you said is not wrong,heart virus stuff is not combat applicable,you won't see a guys throwing you viruses even if they do they're most likely mortal level individuals Goku could kill them before they could react.I know you just wanted to say he's vulnurable to mortal illness etc. but that thing is not import in a fight if enemies aren't as fast as him.And he's not that vulnerable he even moved while time was stopped at some point.

    Goku's destructive capability and speed is about same level as most end of series MC's.Dragon Ball Super pushed him that high.In Battle of Gods arc Goku is stated to be able to destroy universe in 3 punches.End of Super Goku is at same tier as God of Destructions (who could one shots universe)or maybe even stronger.Also he should be massively faster than light by scaling from Beerus (in episode 2 Beerus shows speed comparable to Whis who could cross galaxies in minutes and even go another universes by flying in hours).

    Also Jaco Galactic Patrolman (another Toriyama manga) you see a virus enough to destroy entire race is not working against Saiyans so it just depends.In ATG poisons could kill gods so what a guy with poison could kill them that funny right?

    About Emperor Domination,from what I read about it's power levels,Goku dies easily at certain point in novel.

  • Raizel said:
    dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
    Bro, As i said Goku is as not as strong as his fan base thinks him 2 be.
    He gets ill and a heart virus could kill him.
    Have you heard any novel mc dying to a  heart virus while being a cultivator?
    Answer is no, The MC cultivators of any wuxia would have eaten the same virus as nourishment, to which Goku died in the history of trunks movie.
    While what you said is not wrong,heart virus stuff is not combat applicable,you won't see a guys throwing you viruses even if they do they're most likely mortal level individuals Goku could kill them before they could react.I know you just wanted to say he's vulnurable to mortal illness etc. but that thing is not import in a fight if enemies aren't as fast as him.And he's not that vulnerable he even moved while time was stopped at some point.

    Goku's destructive capability and speed is about same level as most end of series MC's.Dragon Ball Super pushed him that high.In Battle of Gods arc Goku is stated to be able to destroy universe in 3 punches.End of Super Goku is at same tier as God of Destructions (who could one shots universe)or maybe even stronger.Also he should be massively faster than light by scaling from Beerus (in episode 2 Beerus shows speed comparable to Whis who could cross galaxies in minutes and even go another universes by flying in hours).

    Also Jaco Galactic Patrolman (another Toriyama manga) you see a virus enough to destroy entire race is not working against Saiyans so it just depends.In ATG poisons could kill gods so what a guy with poison could kill them that funny right?

    About Emperor Domination,from what I read about it's power levels,Goku dies easily at certain point in novel.

    Goku cannot move faster then time.
    Yeah he moved when time stopped.
    And no time frame was given.
    As it was mentoned in DBS iteself that when gohan and frieza fought dyspo, they were fighting near light speed.
    But he is at  best near a bit above light speed.
    And there are tons of cultivator novel MC's who can cross billion miles in a second.
    Light Travels 186282 miles per second.
    If goku is only a bit above light speed, or let say he is 2 times faster then light, then also he crosses 372564 miles per second.
    Which puts goku way down below in speed to other novel mc's.
    And for the cultivator mc's, Goku is as good as a  statue,
    Goku cannot destroy universe in 3 punches as he has to fight another god using god ki to do that.
    Plus the DBS universe only has 4 Galaxies, which makes it a very very very small universe.

  • Raizel said:
    dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
    Bro, As i said Goku is as not as strong as his fan base thinks him 2 be.
    He gets ill and a heart virus could kill him.
    Have you heard any novel mc dying to a  heart virus while being a cultivator?
    Answer is no, The MC cultivators of any wuxia would have eaten the same virus as nourishment, to which Goku died in the history of trunks movie.
    While what you said is not wrong,heart virus stuff is not combat applicable,you won't see a guys throwing you viruses even if they do they're most likely mortal level individuals Goku could kill them before they could react.I know you just wanted to say he's vulnurable to mortal illness etc. but that thing is not import in a fight if enemies aren't as fast as him.And he's not that vulnerable he even moved while time was stopped at some point.

    Goku's destructive capability and speed is about same level as most end of series MC's.Dragon Ball Super pushed him that high.In Battle of Gods arc Goku is stated to be able to destroy universe in 3 punches.End of Super Goku is at same tier as God of Destructions (who could one shots universe)or maybe even stronger.Also he should be massively faster than light by scaling from Beerus (in episode 2 Beerus shows speed comparable to Whis who could cross galaxies in minutes and even go another universes by flying in hours).

    Also Jaco Galactic Patrolman (another Toriyama manga) you see a virus enough to destroy entire race is not working against Saiyans so it just depends.In ATG poisons could kill gods so what a guy with poison could kill them that funny right?

    About Emperor Domination,from what I read about it's power levels,Goku dies easily at certain point in novel.

    Goku cannot move faster then time.
    Yeah he moved when time stopped.
    And no time frame was given.
    As it was mentoned in DBS iteself that when gohan and frieza fought dyspo, they were fighting near light speed.
    But he is at  best near a bit above light speed.
    And there are tons of cultivator novel MC's who can cross billion miles in a second.
    Light Travels 186282 miles per second.
    If goku is only a bit above light speed, or let say he is 2 times faster then light, then also he crosses 372564 miles per second.
    Which puts goku way down below in speed to other novel mc's.
    And for the cultivator mc's, Goku is as good as a  statue,
    Goku cannot destroy universe in 3 punches as he has to fight another god using god ki to do that.
    Plus the DBS universe only has 4 Galaxies, which makes it a very very very small universe.

    All xianxia mc would just sneez at goku then he'll die..
     I am not the messiah who will save the useless. Go look for him elsewhere. 
    Bae Doochi
  • Raizel said:
    dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
    Bro, As i said Goku is as not as strong as his fan base thinks him 2 be.
    He gets ill and a heart virus could kill him.
    Have you heard any novel mc dying to a  heart virus while being a cultivator?
    Answer is no, The MC cultivators of any wuxia would have eaten the same virus as nourishment, to which Goku died in the history of trunks movie.
    While what you said is not wrong,heart virus stuff is not combat applicable,you won't see a guys throwing you viruses even if they do they're most likely mortal level individuals Goku could kill them before they could react.I know you just wanted to say he's vulnurable to mortal illness etc. but that thing is not import in a fight if enemies aren't as fast as him.And he's not that vulnerable he even moved while time was stopped at some point.

    Goku's destructive capability and speed is about same level as most end of series MC's.Dragon Ball Super pushed him that high.In Battle of Gods arc Goku is stated to be able to destroy universe in 3 punches.End of Super Goku is at same tier as God of Destructions (who could one shots universe)or maybe even stronger.Also he should be massively faster than light by scaling from Beerus (in episode 2 Beerus shows speed comparable to Whis who could cross galaxies in minutes and even go another universes by flying in hours).

    Also Jaco Galactic Patrolman (another Toriyama manga) you see a virus enough to destroy entire race is not working against Saiyans so it just depends.In ATG poisons could kill gods so what a guy with poison could kill them that funny right?

    About Emperor Domination,from what I read about it's power levels,Goku dies easily at certain point in novel.

    Goku cannot move faster then time.
    Yeah he moved when time stopped.
    And no time frame was given.
    As it was mentoned in DBS iteself that when gohan and frieza fought dyspo, they were fighting near light speed.
    But he is at  best near a bit above light speed.
    And there are tons of cultivator novel MC's who can cross billion miles in a second.
    Light Travels 186282 miles per second.
    If goku is only a bit above light speed, or let say he is 2 times faster then light, then also he crosses 372564 miles per second.
    Which puts goku way down below in speed to other novel mc's.
    And for the cultivator mc's, Goku is as good as a  statue,
    Goku cannot destroy universe in 3 punches as he has to fight another god using god ki to do that.
    Plus the DBS universe only has 4 Galaxies, which makes it a very very very small universe.

    Wow you're very very wrong.

    1)I never said he moved faster than time.
    2)Dyspo even before his "x1000 speed increase" ability stated to be faster than light by Toppo.
    3)In Episode 2 Beerus actually moves at comparable speeds as Whis and there's even a time frame for it.It's not my fault you don't give your attention to what you're watching.
    4)In manga Beerus and Champa shown to be able to fly around solar system and Jiren shown and stated to be faster than spaceships (Which are massively faster than light)
    5)He can destroy it's already stated by narrator in anime come on Battle of Gods doesn't even matter at this point as he's already as strong as God of Destructions."He has to fight another god using god ki to do that" he always uses god ki anyway and he wouldn't destroy universe on his own he's good guy.
    6)Dragon Ball Universe before Super maybe was 4 galaxy big but that's retconned by Super.
    Jaco says there's countless galaxies plus we saw more than 4 galaxies few times in anime.Like at Super Shenron scene or when Goku tries to find Beerus' planet he scans through galaxies.And there's even infinite sized dimension in DB Universe so just stop.
  • Raizel said:
    Raizel said:
    dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Err....
    Goku is not strong  as the dragon ball fan base makes him out to be.
    He would be fodder to a lot of top tier fodders in Ed you know.

    But Goku can destroy universes and more skilled at martial art fighting then most xianxia characters.
    Bro, As i said Goku is as not as strong as his fan base thinks him 2 be.
    He gets ill and a heart virus could kill him.
    Have you heard any novel mc dying to a  heart virus while being a cultivator?
    Answer is no, The MC cultivators of any wuxia would have eaten the same virus as nourishment, to which Goku died in the history of trunks movie.
    While what you said is not wrong,heart virus stuff is not combat applicable,you won't see a guys throwing you viruses even if they do they're most likely mortal level individuals Goku could kill them before they could react.I know you just wanted to say he's vulnurable to mortal illness etc. but that thing is not import in a fight if enemies aren't as fast as him.And he's not that vulnerable he even moved while time was stopped at some point.

    Goku's destructive capability and speed is about same level as most end of series MC's.Dragon Ball Super pushed him that high.In Battle of Gods arc Goku is stated to be able to destroy universe in 3 punches.End of Super Goku is at same tier as God of Destructions (who could one shots universe)or maybe even stronger.Also he should be massively faster than light by scaling from Beerus (in episode 2 Beerus shows speed comparable to Whis who could cross galaxies in minutes and even go another universes by flying in hours).

    Also Jaco Galactic Patrolman (another Toriyama manga) you see a virus enough to destroy entire race is not working against Saiyans so it just depends.In ATG poisons could kill gods so what a guy with poison could kill them that funny right?

    About Emperor Domination,from what I read about it's power levels,Goku dies easily at certain point in novel.

    Goku cannot move faster then time.
    Yeah he moved when time stopped.
    And no time frame was given.
    As it was mentoned in DBS iteself that when gohan and frieza fought dyspo, they were fighting near light speed.
    But he is at  best near a bit above light speed.
    And there are tons of cultivator novel MC's who can cross billion miles in a second.
    Light Travels 186282 miles per second.
    If goku is only a bit above light speed, or let say he is 2 times faster then light, then also he crosses 372564 miles per second.
    Which puts goku way down below in speed to other novel mc's.
    And for the cultivator mc's, Goku is as good as a  statue,
    Goku cannot destroy universe in 3 punches as he has to fight another god using god ki to do that.
    Plus the DBS universe only has 4 Galaxies, which makes it a very very very small universe.

    Wow you're very very wrong.

    1)I never said he moved faster than time.
    2)Dyspo even before his "x1000 speed increase" ability stated to be faster than light by Toppo.
    3)In Episode 2 Beerus actually moves at comparable speeds as Whis and there's even a time frame for it.It's not my fault you don't give your attention to what you're watching.
    4)In manga Beerus and Champa shown to be able to fly around solar system and Jiren shown and stated to be faster than spaceships (Which are massively faster than light)
    5)He can destroy it's already stated by narrator in anime come on Battle of Gods doesn't even matter at this point as he's already as strong as God of Destructions."He has to fight another god using god ki to do that" he always uses god ki anyway and he wouldn't destroy universe on his own he's good guy.
    6)Dragon Ball Universe before Super maybe was 4 galaxy big but that's retconned by Super.
    Jaco says there's countless galaxies plus we saw more than 4 galaxies few times in anime.Like at Super Shenron scene or when Goku tries to find Beerus' planet he scans through galaxies.And there's even infinite sized dimension in DB Universe so just stop.
    You said stated to be faster then light.
    That is only a statement.
    As there are tons of manga characters, butt loads of them claiming to be omnipotent when they only destroyed a country or  town.
    Should i tag them above Goku as they destroyed town or a country?
    Do you have any proof that they can destroy a universe?
    Beerus also felt itchy when he was hit by a bullet.
    Goku had scratches when trying to block bullets.
    SSB God Vegeta died to planet explosion.
    This all happened in DBS, which is a fact.
    While Xianxia Mc's  Shrugs their shoulders when planet explodes on them  as they don't even feel it.
    Goku is a good guy which is why he would even die to evil foundation or core formation level cultivators.
  • edited September 2018
    @alwaysanub ;
    So you can't disprove other stuff I said.Good you accept them then.

    If you're gonna disregard statements I don't know what to say so even when there's nothing to disprove said statement you disagree with author? good to know.

    About durability thing you mentioned.Beerus thing doesnt mean his durability is weak when he already tanked planet explosion like nothing in ch.1 lul even if he didn't it doesnt matter if he can no sell punches and blasts from Goku thats enough to prove his durability.

    Goku even as a kid at episode 1 could tanks bullets.In Super they give characters a stupid weakness called being off guard when you're off guard your ki level decreases to mortal levels so thats why stupid scenes like that and laser happened.There's even scene of Krillin got shot lol.(Vegeta dies to planet explosion was because he's unable to survive in space they specificaly stated Frieza could and he did but he has weaker durability so it's not about durability)

    And current Goku (if we're using his strongest state) doesnt have that weakness with Ultra Instinct. 

    Also I never said Goku beats wuxia mc's stop saying mc's beats him of course they do.All I said was he's comparable to them in destructive capacity and speed departmen.Wuxia MC's with their comprehension of Daos/Laws easily beats him.Most EoS MC's basically warp reality on high scale thats something Goku can't beat purely by strength and speed.

  • Raizel said:
    @alwaysanub ;
    So you can't disprove other stuff I said.Good you accept them then.

    If you're gonna disregard statements I don't know what to say so even when there's nothing to disprove said statement you disagree with author? good to know.

    So you may be high on something right?
    But i am not.
    Like i said there are tons of Manga MC's that say they are omnipotent after destroying a a town or city.
    So does that make them omnipotent?
    Which proves  author knows shit about a omnipotent being.

    Raizel said:


    About durability thing you mentioned.Beerus thing doesnt mean his durability is weak when he already tanked planet explosion like nothing in ch.1 lul even if he didn't it doesnt matter if he can no sell punches and blasts from Goku thats enough to prove his durability.

    Goku even as a kid at episode 1 could tanks bullets.In Super they give characters a stupid weakness called being off guard when you're off guard your ki level decreases to mortal levels so thats why stupid scenes like that and laser happened.There's even scene of Krillin got shot lol.(Vegeta dies to planet explosion was because he's unable to survive in space they specificaly stated Frieza could and he did but he has weaker durability so it's not about durability)

    In chapter 1 Beerus was above the planet while destructing it and not on the planet so yea he did not tank it duh.
    And in DBS anime he split planet in two not destroy it.
    Unable to survive in space, Goku and beerus were clearly fighting in space.
    So SSB God Vegeta definitely died to planet exploding and not coz of being able to not breathe.

    Raizel said:

    And current Goku (if we're using his strongest state) doesnt have that weakness with Ultra Instinct. 

    Also I never said Goku beats wuxia mc's stop saying mc's beats him of course they do.All I said was he's comparable to them in destructive capacity and speed departmen.Wuxia MC's with their comprehension of Daos/Laws easily beats him.Most EoS MC's basically warp reality on high scale thats something Goku can't beat purely by strength and speed.

    Goku has never travelled to other galaxies by flying.
    He only has instant transmission a.k.a known as teleport.
    So you think his speed is equal compared to Xianxia MC's
    And Goku's speed is never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr going to be near them.
    And Ultra Instinct is not that good either as he was getting hit by jiren a lot of times.
    Even with Ultra Instinct he gets hit..........
  • edited September 2018
    Firstly , which versions of Goku and ED characters are we using ?
    If its MUI Goku he can go head to head with the stronger Immortal Emperors and be sllightly stronger than your average Emperors.
    If its Xeno Goku( from the game/ Dragon Ball Heroes), he can defeat your middle tier Immortal Emperors and battle with the peak tiers Emperors.
    As for Xeno Goku's feats, just the mere presence of SSJ 4 Xeno Goku puts the DBX multiverse in danger . He even defeated Demigra, the main antagonist of DBX , who was going to destroy the DB multiverse with his own power.(DBX multiverse is different from DBS , that is, unlike DBS, it doesnt only have 12 Universes but an endless series; and yes DBX game is conisdered canon by the author Akira Toriyama himself, so we can use him here unless the OP specifies the description of the fight)

    Now as for ED, if we're taking the "MTL" part of the novel, Goku along with his whole verse gets horribly stomped by anything above Immortal Emperors. (Spoilers below)

    Starting from the Blood Ancestor, the fake immortals , Dark giants, Li Qiye can individually destroy DB verse billions of times over casually. I mean LI QIye retconned his own story by destroying the Omniverse at around chapter 3170s. And that level of power can only be seen from characters like Pre Retcon Beyonder(from Marvel) or Lucifer Morningstar(from DC) who are all top of the power list of "fiction" itself(not counting Omnipotents). 
    And lets not even mention OTH or "that person". Even Li Qiye dont have the ability to harm them let alone Goku
  • edited September 2018
    Firstly , which versions of Goku and ED characters are we using ?
    If its MUI Goku he can go head to head with the stronger Immortal Emperors and be sllightly stronger than your average Emperors.
    If its Xeno Goku( from the game/ Dragon Ball Heroes), he can defeat your middle tier Immortal Emperors and battle with the peak tiers Emperors.
    As for Xeno Goku's feats, just the mere presence of SSJ 4 Xeno Goku puts the DBX multiverse in danger . He even defeated Demigra, the main antagonist of DBX , who was going to destroy the DB multiverse with his own power.(DBX multiverse is different from DBS , that is, unlike DBS, it doesnt only have 12 Universes but an endless series; and yes DBX game is conisdered canon by the author Akira Toriyama himself, so we can use him here unless the OP specifies the description of the fight)

    Now as for ED, if we're taking the "MTL" part of the novel, Goku along with his whole verse gets horribly stomped by anything above Immortal Emperors. (Spoilers below)

    Starting from the Blood Ancestor, the fake immortals , Dark giants, Li Qiye can individually destroy DB verse billions of times over casually. I mean LI QIye retconned his own story by destroying the Omniverse at around chapter 3170s. And that level of power can only be seen from characters like Pre Retcon Beyonder(from Marvel) or Lucifer Morningstar(from DC) who are all top of the power list of "fiction" itself(not counting Omnipotents). 
    And lets not even mention OTH or "that person". Even Li Qiye dont have the ability to harm them let alone Goku
    DBS Goku has beaten Xeno Goku.
    Which means Xeno Goku is not good at fighting as DBS Goku.
    Empress Hong Tian alone Would Crush the lipr fe out of MUI Goku and Xeno goku by using Hell Supression Physique.
    As DBS Character have never ever trained their body durability as much as the Xianxia Cultivators.
    DBS Goku also struggled against the gravity of a black hole.
    Which is why i said that Goku is not as strong as the DB Fanbase makes him out to be.
    Pre Retcon Beyonder is no where Li Qiye as beyonder was going to destroy the multiverse not a omniverse.
    And Lucifer is also limited to a multiverse which is his own.
    And OTH  may not have taken action due to a being that is hinted to be as strong as OTH.
    Maybe they OTH and that hidden being expects Li Qiye to fight and weaken their foe.
    Which would benefit either one of them.
  • edited September 2018
    Firstly , which versions of Goku and ED characters are we using ?
    If its MUI Goku he can go head to head with the stronger Immortal Emperors and be sllightly stronger than your average Emperors.
    If its Xeno Goku( from the game/ Dragon Ball Heroes), he can defeat your middle tier Immortal Emperors and battle with the peak tiers Emperors.
    As for Xeno Goku's feats, just the mere presence of SSJ 4 Xeno Goku puts the DBX multiverse in danger . He even defeated Demigra, the main antagonist of DBX , who was going to destroy the DB multiverse with his own power.(DBX multiverse is different from DBS , that is, unlike DBS, it doesnt only have 12 Universes but an endless series; and yes DBX game is conisdered canon by the author Akira Toriyama himself, so we can use him here unless the OP specifies the description of the fight)

    Now as for ED, if we're taking the "MTL" part of the novel, Goku along with his whole verse gets horribly stomped by anything above Immortal Emperors. (Spoilers below)

    Starting from the Blood Ancestor, the fake immortals , Dark giants, Li Qiye can individually destroy DB verse billions of times over casually. I mean LI QIye retconned his own story by destroying the Omniverse at around chapter 3170s. And that level of power can only be seen from characters like Pre Retcon Beyonder(from Marvel) or Lucifer Morningstar(from DC) who are all top of the power list of "fiction" itself(not counting Omnipotents). 
    And lets not even mention OTH or "that person". Even Li Qiye dont have the ability to harm them let alone Goku
    DBS Goku has beaten Xeno Goku.
    Which means Xeno Goku is not good at fighting as DBS Goku.
    Empress Hong Tian alone Would Crush the lipr fe out of MUI Goku and Xeno goku by using Hell Supression Physique.
    As DBS Character have never ever trained their body durability as much as the Xianxia Cultivators.
    DBS Goku also struggled against the gravity of a black hole.
    Which is why i said that Goku is not as strong as the DB Fanbase makes him out to be.
    Pre Retcon Beyonder is no where Li Qiye as beyonder was going to destroy the multiverse not a omniverse.
    And Lucifer is also limited to a multiverse which is his own.
    And OTH  may not have taken action due to a being that is hinted to be as strong as OTH.
    Maybe they OTH and that hidden being expects Li Qiye to fight and weaken their foe.
    Which would benefit either one of them.
    Marvel never uses the term "omniverse". Even when galactus destroyed universes with his UV, it was stated as a "multiversal", same when Oblivion talked to the audience and made his own panel invisible , he was stated as a "multiversal" threat. Terms like Megaversal, Hyperversal, Outerversal and Omniversal is never used in comics. Also the realm which Beyonder ruled over and was basically "omnipotent" inside it(kinda like Ji Ning) was a realm bigger than the Marvel multiverse which itself contains infinite worlds and parallel lines. Also, against the final fight with Moleculer Man, Beyounder unleashed an attack which eradicated "nothingness itself" in its path and reached the end of infinity.

    Funny fact tho, Beyonder actually tried to reincarnate himself into a mortal human kid after becoming the strongest in existence( very similar to a certain someone...)

    Lucifer isnt bound by anything other than his father , the Presence , the true omnipotent of the story. Unlike the infinite dimensional beings like mandrakk or Thought Robot , who are bigger than the infinit multiverse itself . Mandrakk even tried to devour the multiverse just to satify his endless hunger. Lucifer transcends the infinite Heirarchy and and view everyone else as nothing more than fiction. Similar to Nyalathopothep or Yog Sothoth from Lovecraft series. 
  • Goku can beat the beyonder.
    As  the beyonder and molecule man only destroyed a galaxy due to their fight. 
    While Goku can destroy the universe while fighting beerus.
    If li qiye is equal to the beyonder. 
    Then he gets defeated by Goku. 
    And Goku has never lost except to beerus. 




     
  • Firstly , which versions of Goku and ED characters are we using ?
    If its MUI Goku he can go head to head with the stronger Immortal Emperors and be sllightly stronger than your average Emperors.
    If its Xeno Goku( from the game/ Dragon Ball Heroes), he can defeat your middle tier Immortal Emperors and battle with the peak tiers Emperors.
    As for Xeno Goku's feats, just the mere presence of SSJ 4 Xeno Goku puts the DBX multiverse in danger . He even defeated Demigra, the main antagonist of DBX , who was going to destroy the DB multiverse with his own power.(DBX multiverse is different from DBS , that is, unlike DBS, it doesnt only have 12 Universes but an endless series; and yes DBX game is conisdered canon by the author Akira Toriyama himself, so we can use him here unless the OP specifies the description of the fight)

    Now as for ED, if we're taking the "MTL" part of the novel, Goku along with his whole verse gets horribly stomped by anything above Immortal Emperors. (Spoilers below)

    Starting from the Blood Ancestor, the fake immortals , Dark giants, Li Qiye can individually destroy DB verse billions of times over casually. I mean LI QIye retconned his own story by destroying the Omniverse at around chapter 3170s. And that level of power can only be seen from characters like Pre Retcon Beyonder(from Marvel) or Lucifer Morningstar(from DC) who are all top of the power list of "fiction" itself(not counting Omnipotents). 
    And lets not even mention OTH or "that person". Even Li Qiye dont have the ability to harm them let alone Goku
    DBS Goku has beaten Xeno Goku.
    Which means Xeno Goku is not good at fighting as DBS Goku.
    Empress Hong Tian alone Would Crush the lipr fe out of MUI Goku and Xeno goku by using Hell Supression Physique.
    As DBS Character have never ever trained their body durability as much as the Xianxia Cultivators.
    DBS Goku also struggled against the gravity of a black hole.
    Which is why i said that Goku is not as strong as the DB Fanbase makes him out to be.
    Pre Retcon Beyonder is no where Li Qiye as beyonder was going to destroy the multiverse not a omniverse.
    And Lucifer is also limited to a multiverse which is his own.
    And OTH  may not have taken action due to a being that is hinted to be as strong as OTH.
    Maybe they OTH and that hidden being expects Li Qiye to fight and weaken their foe.
    Which would benefit either one of them.
    Marvel never uses the term "omniverse". Even when galactus destroyed universes with his UV, it was stated as a "multiversal", same when Oblivion talked to the audience and made his own panel invisible , he was stated as a "multiversal" threat. Terms like Megaversal, Hyperversal, Outerversal and Omniversal is never used in comics. Also the realm which Beyonder ruled over and was basically "omnipotent" inside it(kinda like Ji Ning) was a realm bigger than the Marvel multiverse which itself contains infinite worlds and parallel lines. Also, against the final fight with Moleculer Man, Beyounder unleashed an attack which eradicated "nothingness itself" in its path and reached the end of infinity.

    Funny fact tho, Beyonder actually tried to reincarnate himself into a mortal human kid after becoming the strongest in existence( very similar to a certain someone...)

    Lucifer isnt bound by anything other than his father , the Presence , the true omnipotent of the story. Unlike the infinite dimensional beings like mandrakk or Thought Robot , who are bigger than the infinit multiverse itself . Mandrakk even tried to devour the multiverse just to satify his endless hunger. Lucifer transcends the infinite Heirarchy and and view everyone else as nothing more than fiction. Similar to Nyalathopothep or Yog Sothoth from Lovecraft series. 
    Except that the Beyonder was born due to an accident.
    And was emotionally unstable and later on was killed by marvel super heroes and molecule man.
    Yeah he failed.....
    And was not a good planner either.

    dbzfann said:
    Goku can beat the beyonder.
    As  the beyonder and molecule man only destroyed a galaxy due to their fight. 
    While Goku can destroy the universe while fighting beerus.
    If li qiye is equal to the beyonder. 
    Then he gets defeated by Goku. 
    And Goku has never lost except to beerus. 




     
    Li Qiye >>> The Beyonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of Goku's combined powers.
    And by the way when Li Qiye fought a dark being in 3 immortal universes.
    Their power was affecting a billon trillion universes.
    So you still think Goku > Li Qiye?
    If yeah then. ROFL 
  • dbzfann said:
    Goku can beat the beyonder.
    As  the beyonder and molecule man only destroyed a galaxy due to their fight. 
    While Goku can destroy the universe while fighting beerus.
    If li qiye is equal to the beyonder. 
    Then he gets defeated by Goku. 
    And Goku has never lost except to beerus. 




     
    "destroyed a galaxy" 
    you made my day lmao
  • edited September 2018
    dbzfann said:
    Goku can beat the beyonder.
    As  the beyonder and molecule man only destroyed a galaxy due to their fight. 
    While Goku can destroy the universe while fighting beerus.
    If li qiye is equal to the beyonder. 
    Then he gets defeated by Goku. 
    And Goku has never lost except to beerus. 




     
    "destroyed a galaxy" 
    you made my day lmao
    Did not the beyonder get killed by marvel super heroes and most of them were not even as fast as Goku and nor could any of those destroy a universe.
    @alwaysanub
    And what about the martial arts of xianxua characters?
    They are mostly always having some weapon or artifact.
  • dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Goku can beat the beyonder.
    As  the beyonder and molecule man only destroyed a galaxy due to their fight. 
    While Goku can destroy the universe while fighting beerus.
    If li qiye is equal to the beyonder. 
    Then he gets defeated by Goku. 
    And Goku has never lost except to beerus. 




     
    "destroyed a galaxy" 
    you made my day lmao
    Did not the beyonder get killed by marvel super heroes and most of them were not even as fast as Goku and nor could any of those destroy a universe.
    @alwaysanub
    And what about the martial arts of xianxua characters?
    They are mostly always having some weapon or artifact.
    You're seriously mistaken about Marvel's power level. And it's better to do your own research before claiming any feats of a character that you yourself have no idea of. 
    here is a link to a respect thread of Beyonder, you can find countless others on many forums if you search for it yourself:
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/beyonder/4005-10300/forums/the-beyonder-respect-thread-1501014/
  • dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Can Goku take on some people in ED? Yes, however anyone above the level of Immortal Emperor.... He would get absolutely dominated, him and his whole universe combined. Honestly, we should not even compare the two. Read up to the raws of ED, and you will know what I am talking about.

    I, who plundered the principles of domination from God. 

    I, who laughs at the “infinite” and grieves at the dream. 

  • dbzfann said:
    dbzfann said:
    Goku can beat the beyonder.
    As  the beyonder and molecule man only destroyed a galaxy due to their fight. 
    While Goku can destroy the universe while fighting beerus.
    If li qiye is equal to the beyonder. 
    Then he gets defeated by Goku. 
    And Goku has never lost except to beerus. 




     
    "destroyed a galaxy" 
    you made my day lmao
    Did not the beyonder get killed by marvel super heroes and most of them were not even as fast as Goku and nor could any of those destroy a universe.
    @alwaysanub
    And what about the martial arts of xianxua characters?
    They are mostly always having some weapon or artifact.
    You're seriously mistaken about Marvel's power level. And it's better to do your own research before claiming any feats of a character that you yourself have no idea of. 
    here is a link to a respect thread of Beyonder, you can find countless others on many forums if you search for it yourself:
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/beyonder/4005-10300/forums/the-beyonder-respect-thread-1501014/
    But the beyonder was still killed by marvel super heroes who were not even universal in power. 
    And the respect threads nowadays blew the characters out of proportion and are exaggerated.
    If marvel super heroes could kill the beyonder  so can Goku.

    dbzfann said:
    Is it true that Goku can take on anyone in emperor domination universe?
    Can Goku beat every one in it?
    Or is this true?
    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/li-qiye-emperors-domination-runs-a-composite-drago-1970498
    Can Goku take on some people in ED? Yes, however anyone above the level of Immortal Emperor.... He would get absolutely dominated, him and his whole universe combined. Honestly, we should not even compare the two. Read up to the raws of ED, and you will know what I am talking about.

    But Goku has hakai. 
    And he can effortlessly beat all immortal emperor using MUI. 
    And halal would those above 
  • Frieza resistance hakai to kill him. so powerful Characters effortlessly resistance hakai.

  • Frieza resistance hakai to kill him. so powerful Characters effortlessly resistance hakai.

    Frieza is also above universal. 
    And he solos opm universe by the way. 
  • wtf you talk about. all Immoral Emperors are also above universal.
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    wtf you talk about. all Immoral Emperors are also above universal.
    Immortal Emperors, just by existing can lock down all the natural laws of the universe without even making a move. The highest feat of "controlling laws" in DB was shown in the game where they fully controls time, which is basically child's play to Emperor Domination verse, since Li QIye with a complete Soaring Immortal physique can completely stop time even before becoming an Immortal Emperor
  • Tanvir Labib
    Also the realm which Beyonder ruled over and was basically "omnipotent" inside it(kinda like Ji Ning) was a realm bigger than the Marvel multiverse which itself contains infinite worlds and parallel lines. 
    the Desolate Era 
    i think Omniverse shatter and become 9 Megaverse . i m wrong.
  • edited September 2018
    Tanvir Labib
    Also the realm which Beyonder ruled over and was basically "omnipotent" inside it(kinda like Ji Ning) was a realm bigger than the Marvel multiverse which itself contains infinite worlds and parallel lines. 
    the Desolate Era 
    i think Omniverse shatter and become 9 Megaverse . i m wrong.
    for Desolate Era, i guess "omniverse" will mean all of the 9 chaosverses and the "infinite void" outside of it included.

    Here, multiverse is basically "chaosworlds"(like the Pangu Chaosworld) since each of the chaosworld contained millions upon millions of worlds(from one of which Ji Ning reincarnated from), Megaverses are basically "realms" each of which contains near infinite amounts "chaosworlds". And the "infinite void" outside is basically the "outerverse". 
    Its not very easy to equalize these things with eastern fiction, since IET's novels has very weird cosmology and settings
  • Tanvir Labib
    So 9 Megaverse become Omniverse. Infinite void outside is basically the Outerverse,
    that make Ji Ning at least Beyonder High Hyperverse level or control The Glory from Doctor Who.
    Linley Baruch at least above The Presence. The Presence creates one Omniverse/Reality.
    On another hand, Linley Baruch at least creates two cosmos/Omniverse.
    Coiling Dragon or Stellar Transformation Universe Creator creates cosmos/Omniverse in Desolate Era.
  • edited September 2018
    Tanvir Labib
    So 9 Megaverse become Omniverse. Infinite void outside is basically the Outerverse,
    that make Ji Ning at least Beyonder High Hyperverse level or control The Glory from Doctor Who.
    Linley Baruch at least above The Presence. The Presence creates one Omniverse/Reality.
    On another hand, Linley Baruch at least creates two cosmos/Omniverse.
    Coiling Dragon or Stellar Transformation Universe Creator creates cosmos/Omniverse in Desolate Era.
    I would put Linley much below Ji Ning. 
    The thing is , the "cosmos" that Linley, Qin Yu and Hongmeng created, can be just classified as simple "multiverses". Now granted they can casually create embodiments of concepts like that of "life", "death", "destruction" and others. But at the same time, the  powers of "Grandmist Controllers" comes from a source, that is "grandmist energy". If there's a source of power, there's always a limit to how much one can derive the energy from that source at a time. Besides, it was pretty obvious that Linley or Honmeng had to use a lot of time and thinking to actually create their individual "cosmos". Meaning, they can't actually use an "infinite" amount of Grandmist Energy, even though they're "living" in an infinite space filled with Infinite Grandmist Energy. They can only use how much of the energy they can sustain at a time. 

    As for comparing with Ji Ning, this guy without depending on any source of power or help of a medium, controlled the Infinite Void by reversing the time in that infinite place(where time didnt exist in the first place) with his "Temporal Inversion" ability, to know the history of the whole "verse" and how it came to be. Only his power stopped working at a point when everything was created, which is basically the realm of a true Omnipotent where Ji Ning falls short to. Now even without the help of the "chaosverse", Ji Ning has "heartworld"( final stage of heartforce ) , which allows him to create a dimension of infinite space in his mind, which he explains as "everything i "will", will come true in my heartworld" , meaning you can call it a pseudo "chaosverse" in itself. And unlike Linley, Ji Ning dont have to plan and work hard to create "things" in his "heartworld" since his thoughts alone gives birth to new creation. So Ji Ning without even depending on his Omega Sword Dao, already surpasses Linley in other sectors.

    As for Presence, he is basically the incarnation of the writer of DC comics. Things like "outerverse" and "omniverse" dont possess any meaning to him, thus refrerring to him as a true omnipotent. For reference, even when Lucifer Morningstar went into the outerverse to create his own world ,to break his shackles from his father, he later on finds out that even his now "world" in the void actually cannot transcend the reach of Presence. 
  • I have a different view. But I respect your opinion.
  • wtf you talk about. all Immoral Emperors are also above universal.
    Immortal Emperors, just by existing can lock down all the natural laws of the universe without even making a move. The highest feat of "controlling laws" in DB was shown in the game where they fully controls time, which is basically child's play to Emperor Domination verse, since Li QIye with a complete Soaring Immortal physique can completely stop time even before becoming an Immortal Emperor
    But hakai can erase everything.
    So how can IE stop Goku?
    And Goku is billion time fastervthen light.
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