Comparing ISSTH to ATG, TMW, DE, TDG, and SOTR, why ISSTH is such a masterpiece.

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  • Well quite a bit of chinese novels have onjectification but the few without it I have read are HSSB, KOG, and novels form IET like ST, DE etc. The MC of ST was a virgin for millions of years if  not billions.
  • Stark said:
    Hey Can anyone recomend a novel which doesn't objectify women because as far as i know Er Gen in one of the writers who dont do so,IET and the guy who wrote FMOC i think but yeah can anyone tell me novels with decent character depth
    ISSTH. Doesnt really care about women. They all kind of objectify them, but i just like novels that dont go too far into the erotica side. Most of them are all perverts. 
  • Woah Fanboys VS Fanboys :D
    Maybe you should just stop this discussion^^ Everyone has different opinions on Novels (content, writing style etc)
    Back to the topic
    Issth is one of the best (or the best) Novel in terms of the writing style. A third of the Story is a masterpiece, but sadly after that its just a annoying MC who gets everything he needs (pls note that this is my opinion. I know that many of you have different opinions and love this greedy and lucky mc. But after i read all of Issth im just disappointed.) Issth is so well written, much better then the most novel out there and of course better then en gens older novels. But with regard to the story/mc i think that renegade immortal have a better atmosphere (and again its just my opionion).

    Damm my eng skills are to poor  :'( but hope you have a good day, night  whatever





  • MC slaughters thousands of his enemies...is soaked in blood...
    Readers are like: Cheers!!! We want more!!! Kill everyone!!! KILL!!!KILL!!!KILL!!!

    MC rapes a girl. It's not even to satisfy his lust...rather to save the girl.
    Reader be like: Rape is rape...it shouldn't be "justified"...blah..blah...blah...

    I have never seen a someone calling a novel "trash" because MC did a lot of killing. Somehow, people don't complain when such mass slaughters are "justified" under the pretext of revenge.
    But MC rapes a girl in revenge(or maybe to save her life like in ATG)-we suddenly have a lot of people complaining.
    In their opinion mass slaughters/torture can be "justified", but rape can't? Suddenly, everyone is sensitive and acting like a righteous bigot...where were your morals when MC was bent on revenge and killing enemies right and left?

    imo, if you are fine with author "justifying" mass killings/genocides/torture...you should be fine with him "justifying" rape as well. Take your double standards somewhere else.
  • Arawn said:
    MC slaughters thousands of his enemies...is soaked in blood...
    Readers are like: Cheers!!! We want more!!! Kill everyone!!! KILL!!!KILL!!!KILL!!!

    MC rapes a girl. It's not even to satisfy his lust...rather to save the girl.
    Reader be like: Rape is rape...it shouldn't be "justified"...blah..blah...blah...

    I have never seen a someone calling a novel "trash" because MC did a lot of killing. Somehow, people don't complain when such mass slaughters are "justified" under the pretext of revenge.
    But MC rapes a girl in revenge(or maybe to save her life like in ATG)-we suddenly have a lot of people complaining.
    In their opinion mass slaughters/torture can be "justified", but rape can't? Suddenly, everyone is sensitive and acting like a righteous bigot...where were your morals when MC was bent on revenge and killing enemies right and left?

    imo, if you are fine with author "justifying" mass killings/genocides/torture...you should be fine with him "justifying" rape as well. Take your double standards somewhere else.
    You must be stupid. EVERY novel does mass slaughter. ATG does more mass slaughter than ANYONE. He fucking kills a whole god damn sect.

    Dont come to me with this bullshit. Rape is just as bad as mass killings, but since EVERY novel does it, you just shut up and dont complain because you know that's the best that you are going to get. 

    The novel is trash, and rape CANT BE JUSTIFIED. The author had every possibility to NOT justify rape, but he did it anyway. 

    Plus i never said mass killings are good. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I refrain from reading books where the MC goes and kills everybody on the face of the earth. Please tell me one novel that I mentioned that has mass killings.

    GTFO this thread, you are a bigot. 
  • Arawn said:
    MC slaughters thousands of his enemies...is soaked in blood...
    Readers are like: Cheers!!! We want more!!! Kill everyone!!! KILL!!!KILL!!!KILL!!!

    MC rapes a girl. It's not even to satisfy his lust...rather to save the girl.
    Reader be like: Rape is rape...it shouldn't be "justified"...blah..blah...blah...

    I have never seen a someone calling a novel "trash" because MC did a lot of killing. Somehow, people don't complain when such mass slaughters are "justified" under the pretext of revenge.
    But MC rapes a girl in revenge(or maybe to save her life like in ATG)-we suddenly have a lot of people complaining.
    In their opinion mass slaughters/torture can be "justified", but rape can't? Suddenly, everyone is sensitive and acting like a righteous bigot...where were your morals when MC was bent on revenge and killing enemies right and left?

    imo, if you are fine with author "justifying" mass killings/genocides/torture...you should be fine with him "justifying" rape as well. Take your double standards somewhere else.
    You must be stupid. EVERY novel does mass slaughter. ATG does more mass slaughter than ANYONE. He fucking kills a whole god damn sect.

    Dont come to me with this bullshit. Rape is just as bad as mass killings, but since EVERY novel does it, you just shut up and dont complain because you know that's the best that you are going to get. 

    The novel is trash, and rape CANT BE JUSTIFIED. The author had every possibility to NOT justify rape, but he did it anyway. 

    Plus i never said mass killings are good. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I refrain from reading books where the MC goes and kills everybody on the face of the earth. Please tell me one novel that I mentioned that has mass killings.

    GTFO this thread, you are a bigot. 

    According to your logic "whether the MC rapes 3 girls or 1 girl, it makes no difference. The story is trash just because he raped 1 girl. If he raped 3 girls it would still the same trash rating."
    It should be the same regarding killing as well : whether the MC kills 1 person or more, it makes no difference. The story is trash just because he killed 1 person. If he killed thousands it would still the same trash rating.

    Again the author can also come with lot of possibility for MC to not kill anyone...but obviously people are annoyed when MC is too forgiving. I have seen people complain about it when MC doesn't finish off his enemies...
    Fact is, majority of people love ruthless protagonist who does killings-its not because "EVERY novel does it, you just shut up and don't complain because you know that's the best that you are going to get" like you said. It's the other way round, every novel has it because people like it.

    And oh, ISSTH also has mass killings. iirc, Meng Hao killed shit ton of people during the war that happened on the day of his wedding. There are also other fights where he kills a lot of people...
    I don't see you complaining about it...instead this thread is about how much of a masterpiece ISSTH is...
  • edited July 2017
    ATG fanboys please don't start your bullshit out here. Justifying how stupid ATG to you is like proving we breathe nitrogen more than oxygen. This thread is to make people compare Novels not defend ATG. I can't understand how you kids like it but please keep it to yourself, this cancer.
  • akachunu said:
    ATG fanboys please don't start your bullshit out here. Justifying how stupid ATG to you is like proving we breathe nitrogen more than oxygen. This thread is to make people compare Novels not defend ATG. I can't understand how you kids like it but please keep it to yourself, this cancer.

    I am not here to defend ATG...
    It just irks me that people will bash a novel for "rape" while fine with literally every other heinous "crime" MC may commit in the novel. Some of which are way more serious than rape.(eg. genocide).

    It's funny how people will suddenly care when it comes to rape. They will pity the woman who was the victim, even if she was a total bitch/villian who may have tortured and tried killing the MC several times or killed MC's friends/relatives. They would rather see that bitch tortured to death than raped.
  • Arawn said:
    akachunu said:
    ATG fanboys please don't start your bullshit out here. Justifying how stupid ATG to you is like proving we breathe nitrogen more than oxygen. This thread is to make people compare Novels not defend ATG. I can't understand how you kids like it but please keep it to yourself, this cancer.

    I am not here to defend ATG...
    It just irks me that people will bash a novel for "rape" while fine with literally every other heinous "crime" MC may commit in the novel. Some of which are way more serious than rape.(eg. genocide).

    It's funny how people will suddenly care when it comes to rape. They will pity the woman who was the victim, even if she was a total bitch/villian who may have tortured and tried killing the MC several times or killed MC's friends/relatives. They would rather see that bitch tortured to death than raped.
    I don't know what ATG is and I don't care but, it seems that you're here arguing with people because you don't like their opinion. Stop.
  • Arawn said:
    akachunu said:
    ATG fanboys please don't start your bullshit out here. Justifying how stupid ATG to you is like proving we breathe nitrogen more than oxygen. This thread is to make people compare Novels not defend ATG. I can't understand how you kids like it but please keep it to yourself, this cancer.

    I am not here to defend ATG...
    It just irks me that people will bash a novel for "rape" while fine with literally every other heinous "crime" MC may commit in the novel. Some of which are way more serious than rape.(eg. genocide).

    It's funny how people will suddenly care when it comes to rape. They will pity the woman who was the victim, even if she was a total bitch/villian who may have tortured and tried killing the MC several times or killed MC's friends/relatives. They would rather see that bitch tortured to death than raped.
    I don't know what ATG is and I don't care but, it seems that you're here arguing with people because you don't like their opinion. Stop.
    Dude you stop their is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying "rape is unjustifiable" while trying to white wash genocide or torture, personally I enjoyed ISSTH more than ATG but trying to condemn the fact that Yun Che raped some woman while extolling the virtues of ISSTH where Meng Hao wipes out 33 planets of life by the end of the novel is moral grandstanding of the highest order.

    This forum is for all the readers at wuxiaworld and while readers are free to hate ATG because it contains rape other readers are just as free to point out that ISSTH contains genocide and arn't obligated to agree with the OP's post that ISSTH is a supreme masterpiece and all other novels are trash.
  • Ok I don't have any objections to YC raping, But ATG SUCKS. YC received too many heaven defying objects and legacies but hasn't achieved any great success comparing to his heaven defying luck. Dying plot is so overused that it hurts to read. The talking battle after every scene is the worst in this one out of all the novels that I read. These are a warning to people who wants to read it
  • Matty said:
    Arawn said:
    akachunu said:
    ATG fanboys please don't start your bullshit out here. Justifying how stupid ATG to you is like proving we breathe nitrogen more than oxygen. This thread is to make people compare Novels not defend ATG. I can't understand how you kids like it but please keep it to yourself, this cancer.

    I am not here to defend ATG...
    It just irks me that people will bash a novel for "rape" while fine with literally every other heinous "crime" MC may commit in the novel. Some of which are way more serious than rape.(eg. genocide).

    It's funny how people will suddenly care when it comes to rape. They will pity the woman who was the victim, even if she was a total bitch/villian who may have tortured and tried killing the MC several times or killed MC's friends/relatives. They would rather see that bitch tortured to death than raped.
    I don't know what ATG is and I don't care but, it seems that you're here arguing with people because you don't like their opinion. Stop.
    Dude you stop their is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying "rape is unjustifiable" while trying to white wash genocide or torture, personally I enjoyed ISSTH more than ATG but trying to condemn the fact that Yun Che raped some woman while extolling the virtues of ISSTH where Meng Hao wipes out 33 planets of life by the end of the novel is moral grandstanding of the highest order.

    This forum is for all the readers at wuxiaworld and while readers are free to hate ATG because it contains rape other readers are just as free to point out that ISSTH contains genocide and arn't obligated to agree with the OP's post that ISSTH is a supreme masterpiece and all other novels are trash.
    You are a special kind of idiot. Rape isnt EVER right. You rape somebody, you go to jail. You commit mass genocide, you go to jail.
    I have not gotten to the part about any mass genocide. For every kill that Meng Hao has done, is because the person attacked him first.

    None of the novels that I have read have EVER had mass genocide besides ATG. And it contains rape as well. 

    Desolate Era: NO FUCKING GENOCIDE. 
    Tales of Demons and Gods: Piece of shit novel, but even it has NO FUCKING GENOCIDE
    Sovereign of the Three Realms: NO FUCKING GENOCIDE
    True Martial World; NO FUCKING GENOCIDE

    I dont see how your point is valid. Granted I have not read ISSTH to its full extent, but even then all of the novels that I have read dont have genocide.

    Besides, people are numb to murders with all of the shooting games, like the Call of Duty airport scene, or killing everybody in Skyrim, or blowing up a fucking city in Fallout 3. Genocide happens because its a wild wasteland and society has grown numb to it.

    You'd have to be a certain kind of stupid to incorporate rape into your novel. ATG has mass genocide and brutal torture 300 chapters in.
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    In the end you are justifying rape. You're saying, everybody is killing everybody else in the novel, so why not rape people? Rape is OK! 

    Not its fucking not. Go back to your fucking dark ass room and jack off to rape porn, but keep your dumbass out of this thread. Dont defend a shitty novel with shitty excuses. ATG is a piece of trash BECAUSE it has rape. ATG has mass genocide, but  well let that slide because "other novels do it too!" Even if that was the case, THERE IS STILL RAPE. You are a piece of shit that defends rape. Get the hell of this thread. 
  • Matty said:
    Arawn said:
    akachunu said:
    ATG fanboys please don't start your bullshit out here. Justifying how stupid ATG to you is like proving we breathe nitrogen more than oxygen. This thread is to make people compare Novels not defend ATG. I can't understand how you kids like it but please keep it to yourself, this cancer.

    I am not here to defend ATG...
    It just irks me that people will bash a novel for "rape" while fine with literally every other heinous "crime" MC may commit in the novel. Some of which are way more serious than rape.(eg. genocide).

    It's funny how people will suddenly care when it comes to rape. They will pity the woman who was the victim, even if she was a total bitch/villian who may have tortured and tried killing the MC several times or killed MC's friends/relatives. They would rather see that bitch tortured to death than raped.
    I don't know what ATG is and I don't care but, it seems that you're here arguing with people because you don't like their opinion. Stop.
    Dude you stop their is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying "rape is unjustifiable" while trying to white wash genocide or torture, personally I enjoyed ISSTH more than ATG but trying to condemn the fact that Yun Che raped some woman while extolling the virtues of ISSTH where Meng Hao wipes out 33 planets of life by the end of the novel is moral grandstanding of the highest order.

    This forum is for all the readers at wuxiaworld and while readers are free to hate ATG because it contains rape other readers are just as free to point out that ISSTH contains genocide and arn't obligated to agree with the OP's post that ISSTH is a supreme masterpiece and all other novels are trash.
    You are a special kind of idiot. Rape isnt EVER right. You rape somebody, you go to jail. You commit mass genocide, you go to jail.
    I have not gotten to the part about any mass genocide. For every kill that Meng Hao has done, is because the person attacked him first.

    None of the novels that I have read have EVER had mass genocide besides ATG. And it contains rape as well. 

    Desolate Era: NO FUCKING GENOCIDE. 
    Tales of Demons and Gods: Piece of shit novel, but even it has NO FUCKING GENOCIDE
    Sovereign of the Three Realms: NO FUCKING GENOCIDE
    True Martial World; NO FUCKING GENOCIDE

    I dont see how your point is valid. Granted I have not read ISSTH to its full extent, but even then all of the novels that I have read dont have genocide.

    Besides, people are numb to murders with all of the shooting games, like the Call of Duty airport scene, or killing everybody in Skyrim, or blowing up a fucking city in Fallout 3. Genocide happens because its a wild wasteland and society has grown numb to it.

    You'd have to be a certain kind of stupid to incorporate rape into your novel. ATG has mass genocide and brutal torture 300 chapters in.
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    In the end you are justifying rape. You're saying, everybody is killing everybody else in the novel, so why not rape people? Rape is OK! 

    Not its fucking not. Go back to your fucking dark ass room and jack off to rape porn, but keep your dumbass out of this thread. Dont defend a shitty novel with shitty excuses. ATG is a piece of trash BECAUSE it has rape. ATG has mass genocide, but  well let that slide because "other novels do it too!" Even if that was the case, THERE IS STILL RAPE. You are a piece of shit that defends rape. Get the hell of this thread. 
    Dude take a chill pill and maybe climb down from the ridiculous moral throne you are trying to erect for yourself, if you somehow came away after reading my post with the idea that I was justifying rape either your brain is the size of a peanut or your reading comprehension level is at the level of a 5 year old (which considering your ad hominem filled post may just be around your actual age). 

    If in your tiny little mind people saying they don't like the hypocrisy of the arguments in this thread is equal to defending the opposite position you are going to have a real hard time when you go out into the world and actually have to interact with real people who won't treat you like the special little snowflake you clearly have deluded yourself into thinking you are.

    I recommend looking up wikipedia's list of logical fallacies because your post can almost be used as an example of how to cram as many as possible into one tiny little post. The entire premise of your argument is one gigantic straw man argument: Pointing out that it's hypocritical to condemn a novel for rape while almost every MC is committing genocide on a planetary scale is not the same thing as saying rape is OK. I won't even get into the ad hominem filled tirade at the bottom of your post that looks like it was written by a 5 year old who isn't getting his way and may as well amount to "Waa", "Waa", "Waa"

    Now before you jump up from your moral throne over looking all the rest of us plebs and try and condemn me back to the darkness of my room maybe stop, think and realize that this isn't your website nor your forum and telling people to "get the hell out" because they don't agree with your childish arguments, your opinions on literature we are allowed to enjoy, or your expletive-filled tirades is no different to sticking your fingers in your ears and burying your head in the sand maybe open your eyes look around and realize that the world is filled with people with differing opinions from yours and we arn't all obligated to ascribe to the gospel according to "freeasabird".

    The only other thing I can really say is "grow up" to launch into such an expletive-filled rant because someone disagreed with you is truly a mark of immaturity and doesn't bode well for convincing anyone of your arguments in the original post. I probably won't bother replying to whatever ridiculous argument you come up with in defence of your childish actions so Good day hopefully the next time I read one of your posts you will have grown up a bit and realized that the world is full of people who are just as entitled to their opinions as you.
     
  • Well dude everyone has his own taste and this is just your perception of these novels and in my opinion I wont really call ISSTH a masterpiece, read it fully then give your comments as the good points you stated will be pretty much non existent after he reaches half immortal but I will totally agree with one thing that ISSTH pre immortal is one of the best I have read and after Immortal one of the shitty ones I have read and the thing is you cant really expect consistent quality all over the story.
    "This is the best Wuxia novel out there, in my opinon."

    This is purely written in my opinion. I have read these novels, and I compare them. I dont call myself objective in the least. Now if you disagree, I am very open to you disagreeing with me.

    What novel do you call better than ISSTH?

    Son!! You haven't read Xian Ni... from the same author but with a much more serious tone. You will curse Er Gen for writing such a masterpeice. Wang Lin the MC don't have any cheat, except a literal devil guiding him and before we know it, the kind young boy is gone and a cold and ruthless cultivator was born in his place. Don't talk about that he don't have any goal, achieving the peak is his only goal, there is no place for romance for him, And if you are reading ISSTH, then Wang Lin makes an appearance in ISSTH with the alias Slaughter And guides Meng Hao.

    P.S. By the end of the novel, Meng hao could still not amount to the strength attained by Wang Lin. And Wang Lin's journey was much more thrilling in this case too.
  • Ophis said:

    Ugh, almost got eye cancer reading this utter bullshit of a post.

    Disregarding the fact of whether ATG is trash or not, you should at least complain about real things; things that actually happened in the story.

    Out of almost 900 chapters, there's been only two tournaments so far. The other two occasions were only a minor spars among the young generation that didn't last even 50 chapters. If you were to combine all of those 4 happenings, it probably wouldn't amount to more than 150 chapters of the whole story so far. Not little, but still nowhere near as exaggerated as you made it to be.

    Please, point out 1 legacy or weapon that Yun Che obtained that were never used and thrown aside. One of the strong points of ATG is the fact that Yun Che tends to use the majority of his abilities whenever possible.

    Moreover, raped a bunch of girls? Made them all fall in love with him because of that? Dude, is your head okay? I understand you not liking the novel, but all of what you said is beyond retarded. None of that crap ever happened.

    You're free to not like a novel and even call it trash, but don't make stuff up just to try to support your hatred for it.



    Now in reference to the topic as a whole. Honestly speaking, I don't like Er Gen as an author overall. Disregarding the fact that I don't like ISSH, his other novel, Xian Ni, left me utterly put off. Xian Ni is for me what I would consider as an utter garbage of a story; the only thing worse than that being Shen Mu.

    Novels I would recommend in NOT reading are: Shen Mu, Xian Ni, Child of Light, TDG, Jiang Ye, My Wife is a Beautiful CEO, Martial God Conqueror and any novel written by "逆蒼天"(Great Demon King and Spirit Realm).

    As for the novels currently being translated in WW, the ones I like more are Terror Infinity, ATG, Martial World and Battle Through the Heavens. None of them would I call a masterpiece though...
     OH!!

    But Besides that you sure are a douche that has lost the ability to tell difference between rape and love.
  • Ophis said:

    I have read several novels and none of them have ever given off the same feeling:

    Against the Gods: Seriously? This is trash compared to this story. The main character recieves so many Legacies and gifts that are just thrown away! The character has so many arcs that reading it just becomes a chore. Want an example? Main character is underpowered. Main character goes to a martial arts competition while being underpowered. People laugh at main character. Then the main character proceeds to kick everybody's ass and leaves everybody shocked. Big whoopty fucking doo. Then suddenly it turns out that theres an even BIGGER martial arts tournament. So Main character receives a power boost and goes and fights in that one. Surpirse??? Main character is underpowered and gets laughed at! But he goes and kicks everybody's ass anyways! Not to mention all of the weapons and legacies that he magically receives that dont get used. Add to that the fact that he rapes a bunch of girls who have never experienced love before causing them to fall in love with him, and the story just leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Trash Rating 9/10 would not read again...


    Ugh, almost got eye cancer reading this utter bullshit of a post.

    Disregarding the fact of whether ATG is trash or not, you should at least complain about real things; things that actually happened in the story.

    Out of almost 900 chapters, there's been only two tournaments so far. The other two occasions were only a minor spars among the young generation that didn't last even 50 chapters. If you were to combine all of those 4 happenings, it probably wouldn't amount to more than 150 chapters of the whole story so far. Not little, but still nowhere near as exaggerated as you made it to be.

    Please, point out 1 legacy or weapon that Yun Che obtained that were never used and thrown aside. One of the strong points of ATG is the fact that Yun Che tends to use the majority of his abilities whenever possible.

    Moreover, raped a bunch of girls? Made them all fall in love with him because of that? Dude, is your head okay? I understand you not liking the novel, but all of what you said is beyond retarded. None of that crap ever happened.

    You're free to not like a novel and even call it trash, but don't make stuff up just to try to support your hatred for it.



    Now in reference to the topic as a whole. Honestly speaking, I don't like Er Gen as an author overall. Disregarding the fact that I don't like ISSH, his other novel, Xian Ni, left me utterly put off. Xian Ni is for me what I would consider as an utter garbage of a story; the only thing worse than that being Shen Mu.

    Novels I would recommend in NOT reading are: Shen Mu, Xian Ni, Child of Light, TDG, Jiang Ye, My Wife is a Beautiful CEO, Martial God Conqueror and any novel written by "逆蒼天"(Great Demon King and Spirit Realm).

    As for the novels currently being translated in WW, the ones I like more are Terror Infinity, ATG, Martial World and Battle Through the Heavens. None of them would I call a masterpiece though...
    Wow, you full opposite with my

    What trash in my taste, it's gold in yours
    What gold in my taste, it's trash in yours.

    Back to topic,  I agree with what TS saying about strong point in ISSTH that I NEVER see in other story (yeah maybe 1-2 weak overshadow things) is  ergen really plan how his story work, and what I mean is FUCKIN PLANNING with MULTI TONS TIMES overshadow in ISSTH.

    And man, no need to be smart to know that a good planning plot is one of important part that make what a GOLD STORY is
  • Arawn said:
    MC slaughters thousands of his enemies...is soaked in blood...
    Readers are like: Cheers!!! We want more!!! Kill everyone!!! KILL!!!KILL!!!KILL!!!

    MC rapes a girl. It's not even to satisfy his lust...rather to save the girl.
    Reader be like: Rape is rape...it shouldn't be "justified"...blah..blah...blah...

    I have never seen a someone calling a novel "trash" because MC did a lot of killing. Somehow, people don't complain when such mass slaughters are "justified" under the pretext of revenge.
    But MC rapes a girl in revenge(or maybe to save her life like in ATG)-we suddenly have a lot of people complaining.
    In their opinion mass slaughters/torture can be "justified", but rape can't? Suddenly, everyone is sensitive and acting like a righteous bigot...where were your morals when MC was bent on revenge and killing enemies right and left?

    imo, if you are fine with author "justifying" mass killings/genocides/torture...you should be fine with him "justifying" rape as well. Take your double standards somewhere else.
    Well, I read xianxia for fighting and killing, NOT RAPING

    If i want to read about raping, I will go to porn site.

    Only stupid bigot read xianxia for raping
  • edited September 2017
    Ok, I haven't read ISSTH, ATG, and TDG for a long time (I haven't read the others). But let me talk about them (from the parts that I have read, long time ago). Well, in term of Narrative, writing style, and story telling, ISSTH was the best. That's because you can read the story perfectly without many problem (good grammar, good English, etc). So it's easier to read ISSTH than ATG. The story flow magnificently in your mind while you enjoyed it.

    For ATG, narrative, writing style and story telling were pass-able, and more to the good. The problem is that there are a long of sound effect like boom, dar, etc in the battle, so I tend to avoid and skip them, because they disturb my mood. Yet, the story (until Yun Che left the first country) were good and enjoy-able. I just can't enjoy the story after he moved into different country (while his wife country was under attack), just because I feel that it disturbing my mood. I dunno, it feel like I'm entering a never ending filler. Well, maybe not, but to be cut from the current problem and to move to another problem before the previous problem solved make me distracted.

    Beside those problem (in term of narrative, etc), there is one thing that make me... frowning. Why all Chinese MC in Xianxia  too OP? This OP thing something make me hate the MC. Truly, I hate them. Specially Coiling dragon. I hate the MC to an extend that I write a story that make Linley (the MC) as the main antagonist (enemy) in the story.. I just give him all his OP things except the plot armor. And I make him killed at the end. (if you read CD, you know that I kill him at the time when he was captured by the king, when he wanted to take revenge for his mother).

    Plus, there are cultivation level. Why every Xianxia out there have cultivation level? Ok then, it's okay to have cultivation level. But why extend them when the MC has reach the top level? for example CD, after Linley reach Saint level, the author add more level, and when he was unbeat-able in the first world, they bring him to the next world. (that's was the reason I stopped reading CD, because it was absurb. That's why I stop a lot of Xianxia after I reach at some point in the story).

    So, rather than enjoying ISSTH, ATG, TDG, or the other, I choose a zombie apocalypse novel called Apocalypse Cockroach. It is perfect in term of narrative, story telling, and writing style, and also have good English Translation. There is no cultivation level, the MC is tough, but he's not OP. At least he afraid to die, just because he can die anytime in a fight, although he's powerful and can beat powerful zombie with bullet-proof skin,

    Arawn said:
    MC slaughters thousands of his enemies...is soaked in blood...
    Readers are like: Cheers!!! We want more!!! Kill everyone!!! KILL!!!KILL!!!KILL!!!

    MC rapes a girl. It's not even to satisfy his lust...rather to save the girl.
    Reader be like: Rape is rape...it shouldn't be "justified"...blah..blah...blah...

    I have never seen a someone calling a novel "trash" because MC did a lot of killing. Somehow, people don't complain when such mass slaughters are "justified" under the pretext of revenge.
    But MC rapes a girl in revenge(or maybe to save her life like in ATG)-we suddenly have a lot of people complaining.
    In their opinion mass slaughters/torture can be "justified", but rape can't? Suddenly, everyone is sensitive and acting like a righteous bigot...where were your morals when MC was bent on revenge and killing enemies right and left?

    imo, if you are fine with author "justifying" mass killings/genocides/torture...you should be fine with him "justifying" rape as well. Take your double standards somewhere else.
    Well, I read xianxia for fighting and killing, NOT RAPING

    If i want to read about raping, I will go to porn site.

    Only stupid bigot read xianxia for raping

    My question : If the rapist is not the MC but the villain, it still bad for your taste? Or it's only the MC himself who can't rape?

    Let's not talk about ATG rape scene first. (Yun Che and little fairy), but in other Xianxia (like MGA), the rape scene is just the by product of Author psychology. I don't say that the Author is a rapist. But those rapes scenes just a plot to justify the OP ness of the MC. The author just love an OP MC who can do anything he want, specially conquering women. So in order to show to the reader that The MC is OP, he makes a rape scene, to justify that nobody can oppose MC. Because if they oppose him, nobody can leave unscratched. Specially those women. They belong to MC, so if they reject MC, they will be raped.

    While the ATG rape scene, I dunno. I enjoyed it. I'm not justify rape, but for me it just a fantasy. Specially when the narrative is enjoy-able. Although I have to confess that the rape scene is rather forced. The author should make more believe-able reason, and not just make it convenience to the characters to have sex in there.
  • edited September 2017
    Arawn said:
    MC slaughters thousands of his enemies...is soaked in blood...
    Readers are like: Cheers!!! We want more!!! Kill everyone!!! KILL!!!KILL!!!KILL!!!

    MC rapes a girl. It's not even to satisfy his lust...rather to save the girl.
    Reader be like: Rape is rape...it shouldn't be "justified"...blah..blah...blah...

    I have never seen a someone calling a novel "trash" because MC did a lot of killing. Somehow, people don't complain when such mass slaughters are "justified" under the pretext of revenge.
    But MC rapes a girl in revenge(or maybe to save her life like in ATG)-we suddenly have a lot of people complaining.
    In their opinion mass slaughters/torture can be "justified", but rape can't? Suddenly, everyone is sensitive and acting like a righteous bigot...where were your morals when MC was bent on revenge and killing enemies right and left?

    imo, if you are fine with author "justifying" mass killings/genocides/torture...you should be fine with him "justifying" rape as well. Take your double standards somewhere else.
    Well, I read xianxia for fighting and killing, NOT RAPING

    If i want to read about raping, I will go to porn site.

    Only stupid bigot read xianxia for raping
    Calm down. Those raping scene just the result of Author's otaku lifestyle. Maybe he was angry to a girl in his school, or at work. Or maybe he was rejected when confess to a girl in real life. so in order to compensate it, he write a rape scene.
  • Stark said:
    Hey Can anyone recomend a novel which doesn't objectify women because as far as i know Er Gen in one of the writers who dont do so,IET and the guy who wrote FMOC i think but yeah can anyone tell me novels with decent character depth
    You should try Way of Choices (Ze Tian Ji). It's really slow-paced, but it has 600+ translated chapters to make up for it. You'll have to wait for 200-300 chapters before the MC even meets his beloved though.

    "This novel is beautifully written.
    This novel is well-thought-out.
    This novel is slower-paced.
    This novel has many literary references.
    This novel has many clever word plays.
    The narrative is detail and poetic.
    The characters feel real and complex.
    The main character is calm and well-studied.
    The author also feels calm and well-studied." - copypaste
  • Stark said:
    Hey Can anyone recomend a novel which doesn't objectify women because as far as i know Er Gen in one of the writers who dont do so,IET and the guy who wrote FMOC i think but yeah can anyone tell me novels with decent character depth
    TNC
    Absolute Choice is the first novel that I've read on Wuxiaworld that I genuinely do not like.
  • Wow a lot of hate for xian ni. Personally I am so far liking xian ni i'm only up to chapter 530 but i can say I like it. It's pacing is slower than ISSTH but that's pretty much because it  suits xian ni tragic and sombre tones. The arc that shines the most to me are mortal arc that hit me with the feels and watching tbh I cared more for the mortal Da Niu than all of the cultivators in issth or even xian ni.

    Also terror infinity gets boring after a while the thing that draws you in gets stale and you realise there really isn't any substance other than the world building. The characters are pretty flat. Also I swear the author of terror infinity was cucked/green capped by a white guy the way he hates on white people.
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