Yunba's Tyrant Veins or Yun Che's Evil God Veins which is more OP?

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  • agonal said:
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    You say there isn't enough information to draw a comparison.  I said that's not true.  

    First, YC's phoenix/crow/frozen end bloodlines/arts do not skew his strength as they only give him elemental abilities.  GWOTB & Dragon inheritances do as they enhance his body/strength, and they are further modified by his evil god's gates.  

    We've seen Yuanba's strength in action, and we've seen YC in action.  Thus, we can draw a conclusion between the two.  Yuanba at base Tyrant fought tyrants x2 and lost.  With his veins activated, albeit prematurely, he insta-killed one (1) tyrant and then was completely wasted.  Yun Che at Emperor 3, without relying on GWOTB & Dragon god lineages, insta-killed a Tyrant using purgatory gate & crow fire.  (While it is not stated directly and presumed to be purgatory gate, I believe we can agree and rule out his using rumbling heaven & hades gates because their use would have been detrimental to YC.)  Yuanba killed 50,000 strong army with one attack while YC insta-killed a - was it 700,000 strong army - with one attack, using crow fire and purgatory.

    So my point was simply we have been given information to draw a comparison.  The above are instances where YC has shown a strength that surpasses what Yuanba has shown.  Furthermore, it was a strength without his Buddha/Dragon lineages, which is the predominant counter-argument that people use to dissuade from the idea that evil god veins > tyrant veins.  YC at Emperor 3 and < or = Purgatory (3rd) gate shows a strength that surpasses Yuanba at Tyrant x, and is certainly no-less-than his current profound rank which, could be as high as sovereign. 

    Anything else on the matter is speculation.  "Well he could still be stronger"  "Maybe he wasn't going all out"  etc.  These may be true, but again, this is only speculation while the above instances are based on fact.
    Without using GWOTB & Dragon god lineages his body wouldn't be able to withstand the opening of the gates and let him take hits that would otherwise annihilate someone without them, GWOTB is what allowed him to wield Dragon fault, and progressively heavier freakish swords. The bolded portion, pretty sure the phoenix bloodline played a bigger role there. What I'm saying is with the evil god veins alone YC would not be able to fight that steeply above his level, therefore saying EG veins because YC can fight the tyrant level and come out unscathed while the other party cannot is not true.
  • Zatarot said:
    agonal said:
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    You say there isn't enough information to draw a comparison.  I said that's not true.  

    First, YC's phoenix/crow/frozen end bloodlines/arts do not skew his strength as they only give him elemental abilities.  GWOTB & Dragon inheritances do as they enhance his body/strength, and they are further modified by his evil god's gates.  

    We've seen Yuanba's strength in action, and we've seen YC in action.  Thus, we can draw a conclusion between the two.  Yuanba at base Tyrant fought tyrants x2 and lost.  With his veins activated, albeit prematurely, he insta-killed one (1) tyrant and then was completely wasted.  Yun Che at Emperor 3, without relying on GWOTB & Dragon god lineages, insta-killed a Tyrant using purgatory gate & crow fire.  (While it is not stated directly and presumed to be purgatory gate, I believe we can agree and rule out his using rumbling heaven & hades gates because their use would have been detrimental to YC.)  Yuanba killed 50,000 strong army with one attack while YC insta-killed a - was it 700,000 strong army - with one attack, using crow fire and purgatory.

    So my point was simply we have been given information to draw a comparison.  The above are instances where YC has shown a strength that surpasses what Yuanba has shown.  Furthermore, it was a strength without his Buddha/Dragon lineages, which is the predominant counter-argument that people use to dissuade from the idea that evil god veins > tyrant veins.  YC at Emperor 3 and < or = Purgatory (3rd) gate shows a strength that surpasses Yuanba at Tyrant x, and is certainly no-less-than his current profound rank which, could be as high as sovereign. 

    Anything else on the matter is speculation.  "Well he could still be stronger"  "Maybe he wasn't going all out"  etc.  These may be true, but again, this is only speculation while the above instances are based on fact.
    Without using GWOTB & Dragon god lineages his body wouldn't be able to withstand the opening of the gates and let him take hits that would otherwise annihilate someone without them, GWOTB is what allowed him to wield Dragon fault, and progressively heavier freakish swords. The bolded portion, pretty sure the phoenix bloodline played a bigger role there. What I'm saying is with the evil god veins alone YC would not be able to fight that steeply above his level, therefore saying EG veins because YC can fight the tyrant level and come out unscathed while the other party cannot is not true.
    Disagree. Gate opening is based off of profound level and not his lineages, and is inherent to his evil God veins. He could use them without lineages. Otherwise, what purpose would the gates possess if the evil God veins alone were insufficient to open the gates?

    It seems like he was gaining a new gate about every 2 realms. Been a while since I've read stuff but I think it went something like...

    elementary
    nascent
    true - gate
    spirit
    earth - gate
    sky
    emperor - gate
    tyrant
    sovereign

    And that is being able to use a gate stabily, without rebound damage.  Could be off a bit, but you get the idea. 

    Most parties agree, though, that without GWotB and dragon gods that he wouldn't span 2 realms. But the gates, alone, multiply his profound energy! And this continues to improve the higher his profound realm. 
  • @Zatarot: His body could still open the gates with or without Dragon God and GWOTB lineage's, that'd be a pretty stupid requirement, plus he did just fine doing so before he got any of them, though you're correct on the next part. Ofc they help him take hits and boost his defense, that's what they're for lol, and to boost his offense naturally. True on Dragon fault, he could've gotten to that stage eventually though, it just would've taken much longer (the previous owner didn't have either lineage btw). The phoenix bloodline played a bigger role? wtf are you smoking, it had nothing to do with it, it was just the crow bloodline that time. The reason the EG veins are superior is aside from the fact they give him powers by opening the gates, but they boost whatever arts he "does" happen to learn, be it phoenix, crow or some random art from a sect, which makes them superior. Why the hell would he get to that point without learning a single art, of course he's not going to fight "just" with the veins, be reasonable here... also if Yuanba had the same benefits/legacies YC did aside from EG veins, and YC was at same profound level, Yuanba still wouldn't be his opponent due to EG's ability to multiply his power level several times over. So that whole paragraph was filled with errors and raised a mute point.
  • SPOILERS! DONT READ ON IF YOU DONT WANA BE SPOILED, IDK HOW TO MAKE THE SPOIL TAG SO SORRY.

    In one of the latest chapters of ATG Jasmine already confirmed that the Evil God Veins are more OP when compared at the same lvl, there is actually no matching the two as the veins is what give YC his ability to transcend levels and fight those far higher in cultivation. Tyrant veins doesn't. 
  • it seems that all the inheritances that YC seem to be supplemental to his Evil God Veins in that it was explicitly mentioned by Jasmine that the reason he can transcend multiple profound levels when fighting opponents is the multiplying effect of the Evil God veins. Now, I'm not positive but this multiplier applies to most arts he uses that utilize profound energy which all of them except those that increase aspects of his body ( muscle strength, sturdiness etc...). The only thing that has been shown about the Tyrant Veins through the story dismissing any potential theories people may have is that it allow Yunba to rapidly cultivate profound energy at an astonishing rate but that doesn't necessarily mean that he can beat people a whole profound realm above him as we saw in the profound ark part of the story.
  • edited June 2016
    @Zatarot: His body could still open the gates with or without Dragon God and GWOTB lineage's, that'd be a pretty stupid requirement.
    agonal said:
    Disagree. Gate opening is based off of profound level and not his lineages, and is inherent to his evil God veins.
    I'm not saying that his base cultivation doesn't play its part but every time he's had a breakthrough with the Dragon lineage or GWOTB one of 2 things happen.

    1. He is now able to open a gate that he couldn't before barely or for a brief moment of time.
    -or-
    2. He can now freely use or keep open a gate that he was able to barely open indefinitely without destroying himself from the stress exerted on his body.

    From those two facts, you can see the GWOTB and Dragon lineage allow him to open the gates sooner than if he didn't have them.
  • Nope , they just prevent him from exploding when he overuses them.

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  • Was rereading the early parts of ATG and noticed that apparently, according to Chu Yueli, Yuanba has only 9 profound entrances open [C38]. Unless he has managed to open a few more the hard way then his profound strength is progressing at 1/6 his theoretical max [C37].

    Food for thought.
  • His profound veins dont level him up as normal people by absorbing the force.

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  • Jasmin Said that on the same level the evil god vein are way more cheated, but tyrant veins are made for evolution.
    But she also Said that only tyrant vein wouldn't make Yuanba evolve like that, so to evolve to this point, It's a combinaison of special talent and special physic, coming from their mother who is very special 
  • DMRDMR
    edited September 2016
    Evil God Vein:
    Pros:
    * allows its user to have easier time comprehending technique if u have the corresponding seeds 
    * Immunity to elements
    * increase boost by opening the gates and getting its corresponding techniques during battles
    * makes its user to use multiple elements (not sure if it also helps with multiple divine bloodlines)
    * makes the user fight people above its realm
    Cons:
    * needs the seeds
    * experience hell in order to get it

    Tyrant Vein:
    Pros:
    * boost on cultivation
    Cons:
    * needs a special event that will make the user wants to gain power else the vein is a handicap
    Ummm... you are forgetting a few other things....

    1st
    Evil God Pro:
    *Can defy the heavens
    *Can allow the body to use many god bloodlines
    Evil God Cons:
    *You need to have all 54 Profound veins opened
    *You can die if you open gates beyond your ability and can only open about 5 of the 7 gates
    *It'd strain the normal body to use
    *Limits of power depends on user's luck, will power, and which skills he cultivates
    *Going against the laws of heaven can cause backlash

    2nd
    Tyrant Pro:
    *gives power boosts of high levels when activated
    *(other powers not known at moment)
    Tyrant Con:
    If power is activated before ready, can cause backlash
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    Let us remember that Yun Che's great power isn't ONLY because of the Evil veins.

    LARGE reason for his power is because of the Dragon God bloodline which gave him a stronger body and more tyrannical energy at his base.

    Great Way of Buddha also increased his bodies toughness considerably.

    So even without the Evil Gates, Yun Che is still vastly stronger than the average person of the same level. Plus he can use many many powers and techniques that help him fight at an even higher level (it was stated by Jasmine and others that stronger techniques help greatly).

    And the Phoenix bloodline which allows normal profound practitioners to fight around 2 levels higher at just the 4th stage while Yun Che has all 6 stages.

    And with Star God's Broken Shadow Yun Che has a speed advantage.

    And with all his profound veins open, his execution and recovery of profound energy is better than most people

    So even without the Evil vein boosts, Yun Che could easily curbstomp most practitioners several levels above him.
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    Also, let's not forget how back in New Moon city, the only reason Yun Che won against someone nearly a realm higher than him was because the person was careless, and that was at the lower realms where level breaking is much easier to do. The 1st gate wasn't enough normally.

    And even when fighting against a person only 4 levels above him in the Blue Wind palace, without Star God's Broken Shadow and The Great Way of Buddha Yun Che wouldn't have won.

    And against people of the Sky Profound realm, at most, he was able to harm them when at the Earth Profound realm and maybe kill them if they were careless.

    It was ONLY after getting DRAGON GOD MARROW AND SOUL did Yun Che gain the ability to fight Emperor Profound and easily slaughter the SKY PROFOUND. And let us not forget how Yun Che had an Emperor Profound Sword, which was better than what Burning Heaven clan had. And it was fire immunity that helped.
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    I agree with most of what everybody says, Evil God veins have the best potential, but there are too many factors that rely on luck and chance. This was something that would normally have been a fail for most people in Yun Che's shoes. If he didn't have Jasmine and help from others, these veins wouldn't have reached such a potential.

    But Tyrant Veins have guaranteed power if you can just activate them. You'd have more power at the same level, quick growth and if you can activate the hidden potential of power, you'd guaranteed to become powerful.. Even Jasmine said that in higher realms, people with Tyrant veins can become Emperors, and they have more power in their veins.

    Heck, in certain circumstance, it's possible to match the Evil God.
  • DMR said:
    Evil God Vein:
    Pros:
    * allows its user to have easier time comprehending technique if u have the corresponding seeds 
    * Immunity to elements
    * increase boost by opening the gates and getting its corresponding techniques during battles
    * makes its user to use multiple elements (not sure if it also helps with multiple divine bloodlines)
    * makes the user fight people above its realm
    Cons:
    * needs the seeds
    * experience hell in order to get it

    Tyrant Vein:
    Pros:
    * boost on cultivation
    Cons:
    * needs a special event that will make the user wants to gain power else the vein is a handicap
    Ummm... you are forgetting a few other things....

    1st
    Evil God Pro:
    *Can defy the heavens
    *Can allow the body to use many god bloodlines
    Evil God Cons:
    *You need to have all 54 Profound veins opened
    *You can die if you open gates beyond your ability and can only open about 5 of the 7 gates
    *It'd strain the normal body to use
    *Limits of power depends on user's luck, will power, and which skills he cultivates
    *Going against the laws of heaven can cause backlash

    2nd
    Tyrant Pro:
    *gives power boosts of high levels when activated
    *(other powers not known at moment)
    Tyrant Con:
    If power is activated before ready, can cause backlash
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    Let us remember that Yun Che's great power isn't ONLY because of the Evil veins.

    LARGE reason for his power is because of the Dragon God bloodline which gave him a stronger body and more tyrannical energy at his base.

    Great Way of Buddha also increased his bodies toughness considerably.

    So even without the Evil Gates, Yun Che is still vastly stronger than the average person of the same level. Plus he can use many many powers and techniques that help him fight at an even higher level (it was stated by Jasmine and others that stronger techniques help greatly).

    And the Phoenix bloodline which allows normal profound practitioners to fight around 2 levels higher at just the 4th stage while Yun Che has all 6 stages.

    And with Star God's Broken Shadow Yun Che has a speed advantage.

    And with all his profound veins open, his execution and recovery of profound energy is better than most people

    So even without the Evil vein boosts, Yun Che could easily curbstomp most practitioners several levels above him.
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    Also, let's not forget how back in New Moon city, the only reason Yun Che won against someone nearly a realm higher than him was because the person was careless, and that was at the lower realms where level breaking is much easier to do. The 1st gate wasn't enough normally.

    And even when fighting against a person only 4 levels above him in the Blue Wind palace, without Star God's Broken Shadow and The Great Way of Buddha Yun Che wouldn't have won.

    And against people of the Sky Profound realm, at most, he was able to harm them when at the Earth Profound realm and maybe kill them if they were careless.

    It was ONLY after getting DRAGON GOD MARROW AND SOUL did Yun Che gain the ability to fight Emperor Profound and easily slaughter the SKY PROFOUND. And let us not forget how Yun Che had an Emperor Profound Sword, which was better than what Burning Heaven clan had. And it was fire immunity that helped.
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    I agree with most of what everybody says, Evil God veins have the best potential, but there are too many factors that rely on luck and chance. This was something that would normally have been a fail for most people in Yun Che's shoes. If he didn't have Jasmine and help from others, these veins wouldn't have reached such a potential.

    But Tyrant Veins have guaranteed power if you can just activate them. You'd have more power at the same level, quick growth and if you can activate the hidden potential of power, you'd guaranteed to become powerful.. Even Jasmine said that in higher realms, people with Tyrant veins can become Emperors, and they have more power in their veins.

    Heck, in certain circumstance, it's possible to match the Evil God.
    No.

    You seem to miss out of the fact that the reason why Yun Che's so wildly more powerful than he's suppose to be is his unnecessarily potent life force.
    On the combat perspective, he is able to progressively hit at a higher weight class due to his tyrannic heavy sword arts given by Sirius and, most importantly, the progressively more powerful Evil God gates. That puts him on a higher level of power as everyone else, essentially by two boundaries.
    Now factor in his divine flame bird legacies. Now Yun Che is as powerful as someone 2 boundaries greater than him with several legacies.

    His vitality comes not only from his most powerful legacy, his dragon god bloodline and dragon bone marrow, but also from the great way of the buddha. This is where he can skip two boundaries equivalent of strength and durability and massively exceeds vitality of that said stage.


    But we do agree that Evil God Veins are far more powerful than Tyrant Veins. 
  • edited September 2016
    I believe you are all discounting Tyrant Veins, it is obviously the more powerful and desirable trait.

    The evil god shit might end up more powerful, because it a direct inheritance from some crazy god who went around and took the powers of 5 other gods and combined them into one; but that's not really an apple:apple comparison.

    If someone with tyrant veins got the inheritance of another god that could compete with 5 combined elements, then we'll have something to talk about; but the tyrant veins completely depends on the martial arts one has access to.

    What it does is have veins that are 3 times larger than normal, with growth possible, and basically super saiyan mythology for battle prowess. You teach this guy the best arts, and he could probably take an evil god.

    I thought Jasmine said the best guy in her realm is Tyrant Veins? It is the ultimate fighters viens, and has all attributes one wants to create a superior fighter.

    The evil god shit is just plot armor; the martial arts. It has none of the desirable characteristics of low resource, high ouput, can't beat a 2nd time of the tyrant veins; it only has the plot armor device of making fights more exciting because you are facing "stronger" opponents, but let's consider 2 even level fighters, with comparable martial arts.

    The one shot wad of the evil god could insta kill the tyrant vein dude: This statement could or could not be true, because we do not know the bull shit level of magical abilities.

    But in all other situation that the 1 shot did not kill the tyrant vein guy, the tyrant vein guy is healing and attacking at full power at all time, and at 3x the levels of the evil guy, at all time.

    The faster advancement is because of the thick as shit veins, not because you get some auto tyrant level and slow down; all benefits that thick veins give is multiplied at all times for the tyrant vein guy forever. The evil god can only open gates to achieve the offensive ability of a thicker vein for a limited time; it is available at all time, for everything for a tyrant vein. It is the holy grail of martial trainers, and should be undefeatable in all non I am facing the MC situations.

    Now of course, at the highest level, it is not pure power that determines power, but understanding, ie dao bs. so the tyrant vien guy could be an idiot.. who knows, maybe the thicker viens make his smarter by delerving more nerves/blood/bs to the brain, who can tell with magical bs... that's why you gotta assume both have same level of martial arts. You can't give evil god control and mastery of 5 elements, and tyrant guy doesn't understand shit; that's not the tyrant's vein's fault.
  • Jasmine said no such thigs. In the same realm , tyrant profound veins lose big time to evil god , no inheritances present.

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  • @combatmaster1o3 

    You didn't say anything that proved me wrong.... And his great life force is a result of his powerful body and veins, but it itself isn't the main source of his power, just a part of it. And I did mention his Phoenix flames...

    The Profound veins aren't the only reason for his great power (though in a way, he could only use those powers because of his veins).

    Hayd189

    Ummm... you know those Evil God Seeds are a part of the Evil God's power, right?

    And the Evil God veins have 7 gates which vastly improve ones power.

    Tyrant veins can also activate great power, but there is a limit.
  • edited September 2016
    @podlizurko ;;; I am sorry, it was  along time ago, and I was reading MT, so I might of just filled in the blank with my own story, but I remember my impression of the vein from Jasmine was that she was jealous of it, and stated that it was super rare, desirable, even in her realm; and it means that you are the strongest. Why else would she later assume that Yueba's mother must be a big somebody?

    @DMR It is, and it isn't. Because it is part of the same inheritance, it goes best with the evil god's veins, but it represents his understanding and mastery of that element; and others could use it they obtain it and knew how to, Jasmine warned YC about this. 

    And like I said, it was MT, so maybe I made up my own story to fill in gaps in understanding, but my impressions of the evil god's control of the 5 elements was due to his profound understanding, and craziness, than any vein he had, and it led to his downfall? Or maybe he was the big G.O.D. thus was destine just to be the last to fall and end the era of the gods.

    That's why I said it was unfair, we're comparing YC getting the understanding and control of the world here, to some guy with the best veins. That dude will never be controlling the elements that make up the world, and be THE GOD. No veins comes with understanding the ways of the world that makes you god, except MC plot armor.

    Vein for vein, I am still taking Tyrant. Being able to do quick burst is great, but Tyrant allows you increased everything over everyone else at all times.

    It is software vs Hardware. Do you think the Evil god controls the element because he was born the GOD, ie with his god body, or gained understanding of it? If you think he gained that power through his work, then it's not really his veins driving it. If you think he was just GOD at birth, then yeah the viens of GOD is prob the best thing ever, MC plot armor.

    And by understanding,  i mean he killed the gods of these elements and took their essense,  ie seeds. 

  • I don't really agree there.

    I feel the thing that's special about the Evil veins is that they don't have limits. It's what you can make of it. It's your luck and how you experiment and practice.

    Yuanba's have quick growth, and burst of power, but Yun Che has the power to defy the heavens (from breaking its rules, to going beyond the limits allowing him to have multiple god legacies)....

    But he just has to figure it out, and there are too many rules and items he has to get to really fully use the veins. They have no limit, but their power needs to be customized and the parts of it need to be found.

    The Evil God was just the most powerful, and the Tyrant God only was able to match the Evil God at moments, not always.
  • How are people still talking about this? Didn't the author (via Jasime) already state Evil God's is stronger?
  • Hayd189 said:
    @podlizurko ;;; I am sorry, it was  along time ago, and I was reading MT, so I might of just filled in the blank with my own story, but I remember my impression of the vein from Jasmine was that she was jealous of it, and stated that it was super rare, desirable, even in her realm; and it means that you are the strongest. Why else would she later assume that Yueba's mother must be a big somebody?

    @DMR It is, and it isn't. Because it is part of the same inheritance, it goes best with the evil god's veins, but it represents his understanding and mastery of that element; and others could use it they obtain it and knew how to, Jasmine warned YC about this. 

    And like I said, it was MT, so maybe I made up my own story to fill in gaps in understanding, but my impressions of the evil god's control of the 5 elements was due to his profound understanding, and craziness, than any vein he had, and it led to his downfall? Or maybe he was the big G.O.D. thus was destine just to be the last to fall and end the era of the gods.

    That's why I said it was unfair, we're comparing YC getting the understanding and control of the world here, to some guy with the best veins. That dude will never be controlling the elements that make up the world, and be THE GOD. No veins comes with understanding the ways of the world that makes you god, except MC plot armor.

    Vein for vein, I am still taking Tyrant. Being able to do quick burst is great, but Tyrant allows you increased everything over everyone else at all times.

    It is software vs Hardware. Do you think the Evil god controls the element because he was born the GOD, ie with his god body, or gained understanding of it? If you think he gained that power through his work, then it's not really his veins driving it. If you think he was just GOD at birth, then yeah the viens of GOD is prob the best thing ever, MC plot armor.

    And by understanding,  i mean he killed the gods of these elements and took their essense,  ie seeds. 

    I don't think so. Didn't the original Evil God simply gain complete mastery and tyranny over these elements.

    Also Jasmine herself said that at the same boundary, 10 Yunaba's wouldn't be his match. 

    Also I don't think you actually know why people and creatures want the evil god seeds. It's because their respective essence and energy gather and emanate from them, making them obscenely good cultivation tools. Both the Fire & Water seed had been claimed by beasts for this reason.
    I'm not to sure why the Golden Crow had the thunder seed(couldn't decipher it in the mtl) but the reason powerful thunder essence and beasts gathered towards the GC cause of the seed. Only when we get to likely the RoTG will we see people who actually know who the fuck the Evil God even is.

    You guys are all forgetting the most important and potent aspect of the Veins. Complete immunity. This will become more prevalent as Yun Che becomes more powerful. He hasn't even been able to open all the gates, how can we even come close to seeing the full potential of the veins now. Likely in the future, Yun Che will be able to fight not at a "mere" 2 boundaries above his level but even higher.

    "It is software vs Hardware. Do you think the Evil god controls the element because he was born the GOD, ie with his god body, or gained understanding of it? If you think he gained that power through his work, then it's not really his veins driving it. If you think he was just GOD at birth, then yeah the viens of GOD is prob the best thing ever, MC plot armor. "

    Please explain what the hell you are talking about. Especially the software vs. hardware. In this novel, there is no solid attempt at truly furthering understanding of dou or master of elements or even mastery of divine arts(whatever the methodologies of utilizing ice, fire, ect are called).
    There is only the pursuit of gaining in actual power(strength, durability, profound energy), the pursuit of utilizing abilities effectively and creatively, and the pursuit of getting them hoe's.
  • Evil God veins are definitely better. As previously stated, it can support various inheritances and all the elements(assuming you obtain the seeds). Admittedly, the tyrant veins give a huge boost in cultivation speed, but as Jasmine stated, Yuanba's cultivation speed is also partially due to his mother being a considerable figure in the realm of gods. If he just had tyrant veins, Yuanba would still be in tyrant realm and Yun che would sweep the floor with him using his pinky finger.
  • @InventYourself 
    You realize that Yun Che is only as OP as he was because he was able to actually find all of those inheritances, right?

    It wasn't just the powers of the Evil God veins alone.

    Also, Tyrant Veins COULD get a power to match the Evil God (also stated by Jasmine).

    If you make Profound veins into a permit to make a building, then Tyrant Veins are like a permit that also comes with all equipments and cost paid along with benefits that can only sometimes be activated, but are really awesome and make it top class, but the normal building is limited except on certain occasions.

    Evil God veins are like a permit that allows you to do whatever the f*** you want, but you have to get all the equipment and pay all the cost yourself.
  • edited September 2016
    @DMR: You're partly correct, but keep in mind just the Evil God veins by themselves made him plenty OP in the earlier chapters without other inheritances and they'd still provide him enough power to compete just due to the gates abilities. I've always looked at it in a simple manner, if both YC and Yuanba are at the exact same profound level therefore an even playing field, Evil God veins would destroy Tyrants no question. If you're talking about speed then yes Tyrant wins out but long term Evil God will far surpass it, furthermore if that wasn't the case YC would have Tyrant veins instead :P Lastly something that's been confusing me is people stating it as fact that the "evil god veins allows multiple inheritances" when I believe that's more speculation than anything else, I don't remember it being stated anywhere directly in the story that the Evil God veins were allowing this? Tell me if I'm wrong and if so point me in the direction of the chapter.

    The thing I like about the Evil God veins is that they're highly versatile, they empower ANY technique the user has, be it divine inheritance or other technique, no matter what it amplifies whatever the user has. YC choosing the heavy sword is quite fitting though I'm sure he could've done well with any weapon as no matter what he'd have gotten a boost from the gates. On my final statement btw DMR, you said he's only as powerful as he is because of his inheritances. If again Yuanba and YC were same exact profound level and you gave Yuanba the exact same inheritances (minus Evil God veins of course) I guarantee you Tyrant vein wouldn't be able to optimize it as well as Evil God. He'd get a power boost yes but nothing compared to the multiple gates explosiveness. 
  • edited September 2016
    DMR said:
    @InventYourself ;;;
    You realize that Yun Che is only as OP as he was because he was able to actually find all of those inheritances, right?

    It wasn't just the powers of the Evil God veins alone.

    Also, Tyrant Veins COULD get a power to match the Evil God (also stated by Jasmine).

    If you make Profound veins into a permit to make a building, then Tyrant Veins are like a permit that also comes with all equipments and cost paid along with benefits that can only sometimes be activated, but are really awesome and make it top class, but the normal building is limited except on certain occasions.

    Evil God veins are like a permit that allows you to do whatever the f*** you want, but you have to get all the equipment and pay all the cost yourself.
     Tyrant veins are a construction project in which all of the gear, which is super top gear stuff and allows you to get more done than normal, is given to you dirt cheap and built by while team of professional craftsmen. Of course, the pre-requisite is that you kidnap their families and ransom them off, kidnap them again, and repeat so everything is "dirt cheap" and your sla...hm...workers have enough "incentive".

    Evil God veins are tools that defy the fucking laws of physics. You pick up a screw driver and build a shack that can fit as many people as a house can. You take a construction team and build house equivalent to skyscrapers. 

    You are right, Yun Che is not powerful just because of his profound veins but Yunaba is. But Yunaba needs live the most tortured, suicidal life ever to achieve this.(not as bad as fen admittedly) And even so, when Tyrant Veins hit their limit and fully awaken the person will be so strong as to reign supreme over the world, how long until the Evil God veins catch up? You save, what, a couple tens of years at best. At Sovereign, especially a peak Sovereign, Tyrant Veins are mostly unmatched. But how long will it take for Evil God veins to reach tyrant? How long until Sovereign? How long until divine and so forth.

    In the case we have now, Yunaba and Yun Che, it would take Yun Che ~ 6 more years to reach at least Tyrant profound. Can Yunaba make it to divine in 6 years?(probably since the Yun's travel together) Will they be equal? If Yunaba gets another undefinable enimity then no, likely Yunaba will be slightly stronger(based on how it is now). If Yunaba does not have a reason to go hate mode, then his growth will slow & significantly stagnate. 

    I think this is something people forget, those who achieve such things are not normal people and cannot be compared to standard versions of themselves no matter how spectacular those standards are. If you can, then that is a sign of mediocrity and that person will never be truly powerful if you look at things on a whole.
  • edited September 2016
    I forgot about this thread but the strength exact strength of the  Evil God veins were somewhat defined not too long ago in the current chapters, iirc it was during the 12 fights during 100 year ceremony or at least touched on it.


    Ch. 565

    "But no one would have thought that Yun Che only derived half of his strength from profound power… and it was a profound power that was heavily bolstered by the Evil God’s Profound Veins at that. The other half of his strength came from his own body and physical might!"

    So 50% of his strength comes from the Divine Buddha, phoenix/dragon god bloodlines, etc. and of the remaining 50%, part of that is due to the evil god veins.

    @DMR: You're partly correct, but keep in mind just the Evil God veins by themselves made him plenty OP in the earlier chapters without other inheritances and they'd still provide him enough power to compete just due to the gates abilities. I've always looked at it in a simple manner, if both YC and Yuanba are at the exact same profound level therefore an even playing field, Evil God veins would destroy Tyrants no question. If you're talking about speed then yes Tyrant wins out but long term Evil God will far surpass it, furthermore if that wasn't the case YC would have Tyrant veins instead :P Lastly something that's been confusing me is people stating it as fact that the "evil god veins allows multiple inheritances" when I believe that's more speculation than anything else, I don't remember it being stated anywhere directly in the story that the Evil God veins were allowing this? Tell me if I'm wrong and if so point me in the direction of the chapter.

    I have to disagree in the early chapters when he had the evil god veins alone in the early chapters it didn't make him out right OP, he was only slighty stronger than those at his level putting him on the same level of the chosen disciples of his generation in blue wind and allow him to survive certain confrontation when fighting above his level, he did more fleeing than fight during this period, and strong opponents he encountered tended to be fire users and he happened to have the fire god seed. It wasn't until he got the Overlord Sword the he clearly started dominating. As for inheriting multiple legacies it hasn't been expressly stated as "x allows y" but is heavily hinted at and implied in the story. Like explanations like training water and fire arts would result in crippling or worse instant death but because the immunity granted by the fire god seeds allows them to coexist. This is touched upon again most recently with the golden crow stating that if he didn't possess the fire immunity there would be no way for him to withstand 9 drops and the "gift" bestowed upon him without turning to ash.

    tl:dr yc wasn't op out of the box, and it is indirectly stated/implied
  • edited September 2016
    DMR said:
    @InventYourself ;
    You realize that Yun Che is only as OP as he was because he was able to actually find all of those inheritances, right?

    It wasn't just the powers of the Evil God veins alone.

    Also, Tyrant Veins COULD get a power to match the Evil God (also stated by Jasmine).

    If you make Profound veins into a permit to make a building, then Tyrant Veins are like a permit that also comes with all equipments and cost paid along with benefits that can only sometimes be activated, but are really awesome and make it top class, but the normal building is limited except on certain occasions.

    Evil God veins are like a permit that allows you to do whatever the f*** you want, but you have to get all the equipment and pay all the cost yourself.
    Tyrant veins just give a head start boost to the emperor/tyrant realm. Evil god veins comes with a strength multiplier by 2x to 4/5x. Also allows for YC to use contradicting elemental cultivation techniques without blowing up. Like the blue fire that evaporated a sovereign. Tyrant veins are shit in comparison. Also, yuanba has a hereditary thing from his mom that makes his tyrant veins abnormally OP; So dont bring up YC's inheritances cause Yuanba essentially has a divine body inheritance on top of tyrant veins.
  • Zatarot said:
    I forgot about this thread but the strength exact strength of the  Evil God veins were somewhat defined not too long ago in the current chapters, iirc it was during the 12 fights during 100 year ceremony or at least touched on it.


    Ch. 565

    "But no one would have thought that Yun Che only derived half of his strength from profound power… and it was a profound power that was heavily bolstered by the Evil God’s Profound Veins at that. The other half of his strength came from his own body and physical might!"

    So 50% of his strength comes from the Divine Buddha, phoenix/dragon god bloodlines, etc. and of the remaining 50%, part of that is due to the evil god veins.

    @DMR: You're partly correct, but keep in mind just the Evil God veins by themselves made him plenty OP in the earlier chapters without other inheritances and they'd still provide him enough power to compete just due to the gates abilities. I've always looked at it in a simple manner, if both YC and Yuanba are at the exact same profound level therefore an even playing field, Evil God veins would destroy Tyrants no question. If you're talking about speed then yes Tyrant wins out but long term Evil God will far surpass it, furthermore if that wasn't the case YC would have Tyrant veins instead :P Lastly something that's been confusing me is people stating it as fact that the "evil god veins allows multiple inheritances" when I believe that's more speculation than anything else, I don't remember it being stated anywhere directly in the story that the Evil God veins were allowing this? Tell me if I'm wrong and if so point me in the direction of the chapter.

    I have to disagree in the early chapters when he had the evil god veins alone in the early chapters it didn't make him out right OP, he was only slighty stronger than those at his level putting him on the same level of the chosen disciples of his generation in blue wind and allow him to survive certain confrontation when fighting above his level, he did more fleeing than fight during this period, and strong opponents he encountered tended to be fire users and he happened to have the fire god seed. It wasn't until he got the Overlord Sword the he clearly started dominating. As for inheriting multiple legacies it hasn't been expressly stated as "x allows y" but is heavily hinted at and implied in the story. Like explanations like training water and fire arts would result in crippling or worse instant death but because the immunity granted by the fire god seeds allows them to coexist. This is touched upon again most recently with the golden crow stating that if he didn't possess the fire immunity there would be no way for him to withstand 9 drops and the "gift" bestowed upon him without turning to ash.

    tl:dr yc wasn't op out of the box, and it is indirectly stated/implied
    Yes, he just was not very powerful at the time. Evil God Veins don't have their full benefits immediately. As of now, Yun Che simultaneously uses quite a few gates subconsciously to massively increase profound power. Also you neglect the relationship profound strength and actual strength. The Evil God veins also bolster his strength as well. Conservatively, you could consider the Evil God Veins to be attributed to 60% of his strength and the rest of the legacy's, most of which are allowed to co-exist partially because of the veins, bolster the rest 40%.(I attribute credit to inheritances like this but in terms of strength to profound power ratio, it should always be 50/50 because everything levels up with increase in boundaries )
  • We have no proof that the reason so many Divine Legacies can co-exist inside Yun Che's body is because of the Evil God Veins. It was just Jasmine guessing that maybe it could possibly be because of that after seeing Yun Che activating the Fire Spirit Evil Body, so I wouldn't use that as fact until actually given any proof of it being true.

    But yeah, the major reason Yun Che was unable to fight too many levels above his own at the beginning has to do with the fact that his body couldn't handle the use of the Evil Gates. The Evil God Veins are something that doesn't look too great at the starting point, but becomes something incredibly powerful from mid-game and so on. Seriously, the Tyrant's Veins, despite being quite broken, are trash when you compare them to the Evil God Veins.
    "A person only dies when they are forgotten" - Dr. Hiluluk
  • Regarding the legacies, it could be something as simple as the fact he already had a godly inheritance at birth (profound handle) before he got Evil God veins, or perhaps it's due to the effects of the mirror of samsara. It could even be due simply to his amazing strength of will which astounded even Jasmine when she first met him and saw his pain threshold when he absorbed the veins. And in early chapters he was still OP for what he was at the time, having just got new veins and having no special techniques. Bear in mind the only thing he had was the Evil God gates etc, he didn't have some family taught technique to utilize like other prodigies his age. If he did, he'd have been much more OP at the time, plus as has been said already the veins are weak at the start and only truly show their strength later since it works as a multiplier on power. The one thing I'll give you though is that you're correct about him facing opponents of coincidence, i.e. fighting a lot of fire art people when he's immune to fire (BHC, DPE to name a few) or being immune to the poison bomb thrown his way by the elder, or the ice attacks from FCA (granted not enemies but still). It tends to lower the impressiveness when he keeps facing opponents he's immune to excepting the actual profound force behind the attacks. Fully expecting his next big enemies to use lightning attacks...
  • Evil God's are far, far stronger, the only thing Yuanba's has going for him is burst speed in cultivation, not sure there's anything else it'll provide, not that it's bad just for that though lol, still great veins to have but nothing on Evil God's. Just talking about the veins themselves, forget about the Evil God seeds, pound for pound Evil God veins are much stronger. If you take a Sovereign level Evil God successor and place them against a Sovereign with the tyrant veins, it's a no brainer on how that match will turn out, and therefore there's your answer right there. On top of the multiplicative increase in power though, they also give powers such as attacks, defense moves and what we're speculating is going to be a self heal ability based on the name, though we're waiting to find out for sure once it appears in the raws. I like to compare the two to the tortoise and the hare story, with Yuanba obviously representing the hare because of how fast he levels.

  • when yun che returns from the IDE and sees yuanba as a level 6 soverign he gets jealous then jasmine explains that the main characteristic of tryant vein is GROWTH ans the main characteristic of evil god vein is BERSERK if yun che and yuanba are in same profound realm then even ten yuanba cant touch him .
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