Yunba's Tyrant Veins or Yun Che's Evil God Veins which is more OP?

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  • People are saying that tyrant veins are better at early stages because of the boost they give; however, that is relative because you are taking basis from one of the worst profound places. Here being a tyrant is already a peak most can't reach; however, on other realms that is nothing special and people will reach it quit fast. At that time evil god veins would have surpassed the tyrant ones. Beside tyrant veins are dependent on the personality of the person having them and can be a handicap if wrong person has them. On the other hand not many will be able to draw full potential of Evil God veins because of the power they hold.
  • lwx said:
    People are saying that tyrant veins are better at early stages because of the boost they give; however, that is relative because you are taking basis from one of the worst profound places. Here being a tyrant is already a peak most can't reach; however, on other realms that is nothing special and people will reach it quit fast. At that time evil god veins would have surpassed the tyrant ones. Beside tyrant veins are dependent on the personality of the person having them and can be a handicap if wrong person has them. On the other hand not many will be able to draw full potential of Evil God veins because of the power they hold.
    your also speaking from a relatively hypothetical scenario in which you assume that the training speed of higher realms are increased or are equal to that of the tyrant veins. It's true that jasmine and her brother had hacks training speed, but you're not taking into consideration that they also have special veins and and inheritances which allows them to have such high cultivation. Plus we're not saying tyrant is the peak; it's the beginning,  the veins allow you to raise the cultivation speed at an insane level. Like imagine a 1 year old tyrant assuming that the tyrant vein holder had the ideal temperament,. The whole reason that we have give the early stages to the tyrant profound veins are because you have to start off at elementary profound realm when receiving the evil god veins in the amount of time it would take to train to an acceptable level match the tyrant vein's profound level boost is much later on. yuanba's already a sovereign(mid sovereign?) after only training for 2-3 years, if he was born with the proper temperament he would perhaps be at a higher realm of cultivation no? As for the evil god veins one has to have the proper resources to nurture it, i.e. seeds + elemental martial arts and heavenly cultivation material to boost profound strength to an acceptable level. We're not saying that the veins don't have demerits, but are just comparing the potential each of them have.
  • thelazyaj said:
    lwx said:
    People are saying that tyrant veins are better at early stages because of the boost they give; however, that is relative because you are taking basis from one of the worst profound places. Here being a tyrant is already a peak most can't reach; however, on other realms that is nothing special and people will reach it quit fast. At that time evil god veins would have surpassed the tyrant ones. Beside tyrant veins are dependent on the personality of the person having them and can be a handicap if wrong person has them. On the other hand not many will be able to draw full potential of Evil God veins because of the power they hold.
    your also speaking from a relatively hypothetical scenario in which you assume that the training speed of higher realms are increased or are equal to that of the tyrant veins. It's true that jasmine and her brother had hacks training speed, but you're not taking into consideration that they also have special veins and and inheritances which allows them to have such high cultivation. Plus we're not saying tyrant is the peak; it's the beginning,  the veins allow you to raise the cultivation speed at an insane level. Like imagine a 1 year old tyrant assuming that the tyrant vein holder had the ideal temperament,. The whole reason that we have give the early stages to the tyrant profound veins are because you have to start off at elementary profound realm when receiving the evil god veins in the amount of time it would take to train to an acceptable level match the tyrant vein's profound level boost is much later on. yuanba's already a sovereign(mid sovereign?) after only training for 2-3 years, if he was born with the proper temperament he would perhaps be at a higher realm of cultivation no? As for the evil god veins one has to have the proper resources to nurture it, i.e. seeds + elemental martial arts and heavenly cultivation material to boost profound strength to an acceptable level. We're not saying that the veins don't have demerits, but are just comparing the potential each of them have.
    It's less of a hypothetical scenario and more of a deduction.  Jasmine was a 13 y/o Divine+ being.  It's never mentions she has special veins, that she only has a special lineage, a lineage that she has told YC she will give him a drop of before leaving his world.  BUT!  This lineage isn't necessarily the reason behind her high cultivation level.

    When Yun Che goes to different areas, it is often commented on that the quality of the ambient energy, the profound energy density, varies.  When he enters Divine Phoenix Empire, this is stated.  In the profound ark, it is stated.  In the lava field of Crow Valley, it is stated.  Thus, the very environment that they are within drastically determines one's cultivation rate.  Thus, it is likely that the energy density of Jasmine's plane is simply higher and this, in addition to natural resources, plays an important role in cultivation rate.  It also explains the difference between cultivators simply based on their location, empire, nationality, etc.

    As such, someone from a higher realm experiencing a jump to Tyrant overnight wouldn't be as exaggerated as it is in Sky Profound Continent.  Likely before they're even double-digit age, they've already hit Tyrant/Sovereign and whose parents are sovereign+.  (Case in point, Jasmine 13 y/o Divine+; Hong'er is beastly as well.  Basically anyone who has come from another realm is expected to be Divine.)  More likely, Tyrant veins and jumping to Tyrant profound would be more comparable to having a child/student who is getting all A's, or skips a grade.  

    The Tyrant veins active ability, when awakened, is what truly determines their potential, allowing them to fight against opponents of higher cultivations - Like YC's ability to do so!

    Lastly, an interesting point worth mentioning is the "frame of reference."  Jasmine states that desire for power is a key factor behind the possessor of tyrant veins' growth.  As such, one's frame of reference, a desired pinnacle, their very idea and concept of what it means to be powerful, should be very fundamental for their cultivation.  For the realms like the one jasmine is from, that pinnacle will be much higher than someone from YC's world!

    Since Sovereign realm seems to be the pinnacle of sky profound, this is likely what Yuanba as the most powerful of beings.  Why?  Because this is all he has every known.  Once he reaches this, it is well possible his desire for power will be sated as he has become the strongest in the area that is known to him!

    If, however, he was in Jasmine's realm, this pinnacle would likely be higher still.
  • agonal said:
    thelazyaj said:
    lwx said:
    People are saying that tyrant veins are better at early stages because of the boost they give; however, that is relative because you are taking basis from one of the worst profound places. Here being a tyrant is already a peak most can't reach; however, on other realms that is nothing special and people will reach it quit fast. At that time evil god veins would have surpassed the tyrant ones. Beside tyrant veins are dependent on the personality of the person having them and can be a handicap if wrong person has them. On the other hand not many will be able to draw full potential of Evil God veins because of the power they hold.
    your also speaking from a relatively hypothetical scenario in which you assume that the training speed of higher realms are increased or are equal to that of the tyrant veins. It's true that jasmine and her brother had hacks training speed, but you're not taking into consideration that they also have special veins and and inheritances which allows them to have such high cultivation. Plus we're not saying tyrant is the peak; it's the beginning,  the veins allow you to raise the cultivation speed at an insane level. Like imagine a 1 year old tyrant assuming that the tyrant vein holder had the ideal temperament,. The whole reason that we have give the early stages to the tyrant profound veins are because you have to start off at elementary profound realm when receiving the evil god veins in the amount of time it would take to train to an acceptable level match the tyrant vein's profound level boost is much later on. yuanba's already a sovereign(mid sovereign?) after only training for 2-3 years, if he was born with the proper temperament he would perhaps be at a higher realm of cultivation no? As for the evil god veins one has to have the proper resources to nurture it, i.e. seeds + elemental martial arts and heavenly cultivation material to boost profound strength to an acceptable level. We're not saying that the veins don't have demerits, but are just comparing the potential each of them have.
    It's less of a hypothetical scenario and more of a deduction.  Jasmine was a 13 y/o Divine+ being.  It's never mentions she has special veins, that she only has a special lineage, a lineage that she has told YC she will give him a drop of before leaving his world.  BUT!  This lineage isn't necessarily the reason behind her high cultivation level.

    When Yun Che goes to different areas, it is often commented on that the quality of the ambient energy, the profound energy density, varies.  When he enters Divine Phoenix Empire, this is stated.  In the profound ark, it is stated.  In the lava field of Crow Valley, it is stated.  Thus, the very environment that they are within drastically determines one's cultivation rate.  Thus, it is likely that the energy density of Jasmine's plane is simply higher and this, in addition to natural resources, plays an important role in cultivation rate.  It also explains the difference between cultivators simply based on their location, empire, nationality, etc.

    As such, someone from a higher realm experiencing a jump to Tyrant overnight wouldn't be as exaggerated as it is in Sky Profound Continent.  Likely before they're even double-digit age, they've already hit Tyrant/Sovereign and whose parents are sovereign+.  (Case in point, Jasmine 13 y/o Divine+; Hong'er is beastly as well.  Basically anyone who has come from another realm is expected to be Divine.)  More likely, Tyrant veins and jumping to Tyrant profound would be more comparable to having a child/student who is getting all A's, or skips a grade.  

    The Tyrant veins active ability, when awakened, is what truly determines their potential, allowing them to fight against opponents of higher cultivations - Like YC's ability to do so!

    Lastly, an interesting point worth mentioning is the "frame of reference."  Jasmine states that desire for power is a key factor behind the possessor of tyrant veins' growth.  As such, one's frame of reference, a desired pinnacle, their very idea and concept of what it means to be powerful, should be very fundamental for their cultivation.  For the realms like the one jasmine is from, that pinnacle will be much higher than someone from YC's world!

    Since Sovereign realm seems to be the pinnacle of sky profound, this is likely what Yuanba as the most powerful of beings.  Why?  Because this is all he has every known.  Once he reaches this, it is well possible his desire for power will be sated as he has become the strongest in the area that is known to him!

    If, however, he was in Jasmine's realm, this pinnacle would likely be higher still.
    well yea jasmine's high cultivation can be attributed to the her resource's and exceptional lineage from the star god realm. (isn't her father the crazy ruler who killed her brother and want to kill her for her lineage, i'm assuming it's blood based) So we can say genetics play a large part in the development or potential a person can reach. Each genetic heritage(blood) we have seen so far are op and derive from some ancient/primordial god, whether it be the veins, that inner world Xia Qingyue has or profound handle or god beast inheritances (phoenix and crow and dragon).

    *Side note the reason these inheritances exist on the planet is because the planet was close to the center of the universe and should have been inhabited by divine level+ people. So in terms of realms isn't it considered pretty top tiered? (basically aren't all the godly treasures here too?)

    Not all practitioners have the ability to practice up to a high level of cultivation; thus the privileged are the only thing we can compare. Not everyone is born with a high level of talent and make up for their deficiencies with external resources. Meaning if a person has enough purple god crystal they will reach the divine level probably.... So assuming that there's an abundance of resources yes the jump will not be as exaggerated. However, these resources are still costly and rare and take time to absorb and cultivate with, so not everyone is given a chance to reach tyrant among the general populous. But i do agree compared to other elite of a higher realm it wouldn't be as exaggerated.

    In terms of genetics yuanba's pretty up there considering that his mom should be divine+ and should be able to practice to divine without the need to rely on external resources. If he wan't such a fuckup as a kid he could have had the potential to be jasmine level, but that's just my personal opinion.. His sister know's about the divine realm? So if he just has the mentality to get strong without end or the same mind frame as his sister(to meet his mom) then no problem. But yea agreed if he doesn't wish to get stronger there's be no improvement; he'd still me stuck at elementary... 
  • edited June 2016
    well clearly evil god's vain are better than tyrant's.
    but nontheless both are OP and rare(if i remember correctly). one is a nuke(or a demigod nuke) and the other is a GOD nuke.

    ps did yun che open the acupantures of Yuanba? if not then when he will do it i think that half the sacred places will shit themselves....
  • Wow this topic turned out to be much more popular than I thought it would. 
  • Wow this topic turned out to be much more popular than I thought it would. 
    I couldn't agree more. Whoever thought that a topic that was fairly cut and dry would spark such a discussion.....
  • Doubt it, more likely he created them as he grew up.

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  • Most likely , since they are on his planet and the information about them was in the memory imprint about his veins.

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  • edited June 2016
    So finally Jasmine's going to answer this.

    And damn Mars for such a cliffhanger.
    The Universe will end one fine day. Nothing really matters. Cheers anyway!
  • Sovereign 6~~~~ is Mars just want to play around ~~
  • we will have the explaination of who is the best btw evil god vein and tyrant vein.
  • flashback said:
    Which of this two do u guys think is better 
    Evil God veins without seeds or element-absorption art like GWOB not that powerful and Gates has too high requirements for body toughness.
    With GWOB body, seeds and pearl it obliviosly more powerful than even true god bodies or something.
  • EG gates only have requirements for profound strenght , no body requirements.

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  • EG gates only have requirements for profound strenght , no body requirements.
    Pretty sure it was said the human body couldn't handle the higher levels. Plus there's the profound entrance requirement as well.
  • Arcelia said:
    EG gates only have requirements for profound strenght , no body requirements.
    Pretty sure it was said the human body couldn't handle the higher levels. Plus there's the profound entrance requirement as well.
    Only 6&7 gates. But with "perfect body," and, "9 profound exquisite body," who knows.  YC may be able to utilize those gates and more. 
  • agonal said:
    So far we've only seen the initial stages of the evil god veins so who the hell knows what OP AF power is waiting in the mid to later stages of the Evil God Veins. Right now Yun Che has only opened 3 out of 7 gates and has 3 out 5 of the seeds, and even that still more OP than the Tyrant Veins.

    Think about it this way: the golden attack that Xia Yuanba used is OP but against somebody of the SAME cultivation realm(another Sovereign) then that very attack would at most just badly injure them. 

    But if Yun Che uses any one of the OP Evil God's Secret Arts(attacks) against somebody of the SAME cultivation realm(another Emperor) then what do you think will happen to them? 
    They will be fucking obliterated, is what will happen.

    Even someone one realm higher than him will be insta-killed if Yun Che seriously attacks with the Evil God's Secret Arts.
    Overall the Evil God Veins are far stronger.
    If a person with the (awakened)Tyrant Emperor Veins fights against a person with the Evil God Veins and they both are in the SAME cultivation realm, who do you think will win then? 
    Actually, in the profound arc when he activated the tyrant veins he instantly killed someone in the same realm, but greater cultivation level. 

    YC also has the body of a half-sovereign thanks to both the GWOTB and dragon god lineages. Without those, and relying only on the evil god veins, the explosive strength of the gates would indeed be more comparable to that shown by the (awakened) Tyrant veins. 

    However, great vitality and resilience has been shown by Tyrant veins; it was basically portrayed that Yuanba couldn't die and would inexplicably survive numerous fatal injuries.  The same cannot be said for YC and evil god veins. (At least until later GWOTB stages are cultivated or gates are unlocked)

    If the two fought, i suspect that it would be something of a stalemate until such a time as the evil god veins acquired enough arts and lineages as to completely outclass the Tyrant veins. 
    Ie, Tyrant couldn't beat Evil God, but Evil God couldn't kill Tyrant. The deadlock would continue Until such a time as the Evil God becomes completely OP because capacity for long-term growth is just too monstrous. 

    IE, fire, ice, lightning, earth, spirit, space and ---whichever seed i am missing.  Complete affinity with virtually all techniques and affinities. And that's to say nothing of Inheritances like GWotB, dragon god, star god, etc. of which the Evil God veins may obtain and otherwise impossible number. 

    Lineages like Dragon god would indeed benefit Tyrant veins, but even if Tyrant somehow managed 100% potential, evil god defies heavens by bringing out 200% By fusing different affinities. 
    Actually to be fair yuanba has a much greater advantage as his mother came from the "gods realm" hence YC relying on a few drops of dragon gods blood and a few drops of a divine beasts blood doesn't make sense to be put as an argument. Yuanba's mother came from the same world jasmine came from so you only imagine how strong his mother must be. 

    If it wasn't for the fact that his mother lost her memories when she was at the profound sky continent she wouldn't have gotten married to his father and gave birth to a tyrant emperor veins and a nine profound exquisite body. If a few drops from a dagon God is making YC so powerful than imagine being the son of a god..... You wouldn't have somethjng as simple as a few drops of blood.
  • skariyati said:
    agonal said:
    So far we've only seen the initial stages of the evil god veins so who the hell knows what OP AF power is waiting in the mid to later stages of the Evil God Veins. Right now Yun Che has only opened 3 out of 7 gates and has 3 out 5 of the seeds, and even that still more OP than the Tyrant Veins.

    Think about it this way: the golden attack that Xia Yuanba used is OP but against somebody of the SAME cultivation realm(another Sovereign) then that very attack would at most just badly injure them. 

    But if Yun Che uses any one of the OP Evil God's Secret Arts(attacks) against somebody of the SAME cultivation realm(another Emperor) then what do you think will happen to them? 
    They will be fucking obliterated, is what will happen.

    Even someone one realm higher than him will be insta-killed if Yun Che seriously attacks with the Evil God's Secret Arts.
    Overall the Evil God Veins are far stronger.
    If a person with the (awakened)Tyrant Emperor Veins fights against a person with the Evil God Veins and they both are in the SAME cultivation realm, who do you think will win then? 
    Actually, in the profound arc when he activated the tyrant veins he instantly killed someone in the same realm, but greater cultivation level. 

    YC also has the body of a half-sovereign thanks to both the GWOTB and dragon god lineages. Without those, and relying only on the evil god veins, the explosive strength of the gates would indeed be more comparable to that shown by the (awakened) Tyrant veins. 

    However, great vitality and resilience has been shown by Tyrant veins; it was basically portrayed that Yuanba couldn't die and would inexplicably survive numerous fatal injuries.  The same cannot be said for YC and evil god veins. (At least until later GWOTB stages are cultivated or gates are unlocked)

    If the two fought, i suspect that it would be something of a stalemate until such a time as the evil god veins acquired enough arts and lineages as to completely outclass the Tyrant veins. 
    Ie, Tyrant couldn't beat Evil God, but Evil God couldn't kill Tyrant. The deadlock would continue Until such a time as the Evil God becomes completely OP because capacity for long-term growth is just too monstrous. 

    IE, fire, ice, lightning, earth, spirit, space and ---whichever seed i am missing.  Complete affinity with virtually all techniques and affinities. And that's to say nothing of Inheritances like GWotB, dragon god, star god, etc. of which the Evil God veins may obtain and otherwise impossible number. 

    Lineages like Dragon god would indeed benefit Tyrant veins, but even if Tyrant somehow managed 100% potential, evil god defies heavens by bringing out 200% By fusing different affinities. 
    Actually to be fair yuanba has a much greater advantage as his mother came from the "gods realm" hence YC relying on a few drops of dragon gods blood and a few drops of a divine beasts blood doesn't make sense to be put as an argument. Yuanba's mother came from the same world jasmine came from so you only imagine how strong his mother must be. 

    If it wasn't for the fact that his mother lost her memories when she was at the profound sky continent she wouldn't have gotten married to his father and gave birth to a tyrant emperor veins and a nine profound exquisite body. If a few drops from a dagon God is making YC so powerful than imagine being the son of a god..... You wouldn't have somethjng as simple as a few drops of blood.
    All the people in the Realm of the Gods are ordinary people, Jasmine says that after the fall of the True God's the humans invaded or moved in and searched for all their treasures and inheritances and such, so all the people who are their arn't Gods at least in the sense that the Dragon God was a God.
  • lets not quote long msgs everyone... but as it stands yunaba is already so far ahead of YC in cultivation so he is already strong... yeah EG is obv better than TV as it multiplies ones power but YC has to be the same level as Yunaba to actually be stronger than him.. which seems like too farfetched of an idea unless he goes through another MC hax..
  • True for now, but Yuanba will likely hit a bottleneck somewhere along the line allowing YC to start to catch up a bit. His veins haven't fully awakened but once they do he may have to cultivate regularly like the rest, not sure, but if that's the case he'll slow down and YC may be able to close the gap. But yeah I'm still waiting for the next power up cuz emperor profound rank is worthless lol, that rank was obsolete 2 arcs ago.
  • well according to raws YC being emperor 3 can fight mid sovereigns so i dont think thats too bad.. but since he is back to Blue wind i dont see him getting a power up... maybe if he goes to the god's realm after this following after XQ.. maybe he'll get another Power Up

  • It's not about what ranks he can fight against, it's the principle of the thing, most of those around him are leveling at a faster rate even if most of those are technically weaker in combat power than him. So yeah it's cool he can fight sovereign at merely emperor but that doesn't mean emperor rank is that relevant anymore, he's simply a unique case and that's it. Nah he'll have to power up before attempting to go there, my bet is on the mine in BWE or something else, but trying to go there before leveling further would probably equate to suicide. Especially since I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of jealous people that envy all the inheritances he has while they're rare even in the divine realm.
  • true... it would be nice if he gets to sleep with XQ b4 going to the god's realm.. having that nine profound exquisite body would further his comprehension of cultivation maybe he can even get beyond the 4th level of GWOB through the NPEB's help... also unless the author forgot about it he still has that promise he needs to keep in Azure Continent.. and then there is "Little Fairy" and his child... yeah a lot of things... before he embarks on the god's realm... 
  • As Jasmine said it , principle characteristic of Yuanba's veins is Growth , while EG's is not.

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  • I wander if once the tyrant veins are fully open his growth would slow down?
  • That's what I'm guessing tbh, it gives him a huge head start on cultivation but after that I get the feeling he'll return to having to cultivate at the same speed as others. Could be wrong though, it's too early to say.
  • Most likely he will still have growth jumps , but will happen on more predictable schedule.

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  • edited June 2016
    I guess Yuanba situation may be like Bebe case in CD where cuz of his lineage bebe would become a diety on maturity without doing anything but after tht climbing higher levels would be harder like it was hard for him to become highgod. SamewayYuanba also may reach some particular realm faster when his veins mature than YC but after his veins r matured it would be harder for him to go higher level and would be overtaken by YC
  • Who the hell is junba?
  • Who the hell is junba?
    I meant yuanba lol

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