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  • He lists off a number of people that he remembers being young talents during his years in the mortal world, who wouldn't have been picked up by any sect yet. The first one he grabs is named Mu Bai who is a... cypress tree monster that he remembers becomes an amazing swordsman or something. He takes the young tree as his direct disciple.

    He mentions a few other people in the chapter where he mentally introduces them and gives a blurb on why they become famous.

    I was wondering if any of these people also become his disciples, or at least join the Pure Yang sect.
    As of chapter 500-ish where I'm currently at, he recruited a girl that has a talent in growing plants. In his original timeline, it was that girl that found the way to grow those thunder-something fruits.
  • Alright, cool.

    I just hit 364, and he's trying to recruit Ye Yu, who is a demon sect cultivator, before the kid is born by saving his dad's life.

    See, THIS is some cool reincarnation/time travel stuff.
  • Alright, cool.

    I just hit 364, and he's trying to recruit Ye Yu, who is a demon sect cultivator, before the kid is born by saving his dad's life.

    See, THIS is some cool reincarnation/time travel stuff.
    Owell, there will be an event about Ye Yu and his father where you'll laugh hard.
  • This story is pretty awesome. It's also pretty long. I thought this was gonna just be 1300 chapters, but then I found out that the author likes to split his chapters in half. So... by rough estimate, I think this has about 2000+ chapters. Which is great if the story remains this strong until the end.
    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • Alright, cool.

    I just hit 364, and he's trying to recruit Ye Yu, who is a demon sect cultivator, before the kid is born by saving his dad's life.

    See, THIS is some cool reincarnation/time travel stuff.
    Oh yeah, forgot about that.
  • eklok14 said:
    He lists off a number of people that he remembers being young talents during his years in the mortal world, who wouldn't have been picked up by any sect yet. The first one he grabs is named Mu Bai who is a... cypress tree monster that he remembers becomes an amazing swordsman or something. He takes the young tree as his direct disciple.

    He mentions a few other people in the chapter where he mentally introduces them and gives a blurb on why they become famous.

    I was wondering if any of these people also become his disciples, or at least join the Pure Yang sect.
    As of chapter 500-ish where I'm currently at, he recruited a girl that has a talent in growing plants. In his original timeline, it was that girl that found the way to grow those thunder-something fruits.
    Later he will also recruit a girl who was a 9th grade genius alchemist.
  • I read that part, but after he picked her up, she just seemed to disappear into his medicine garden. I don't even remember if he ever dropped her off at the sect.

    Shame that his disciples don't get to go adventure with him. But I guess they are generally too weak to provide much to the narrative. Would be nice if we saw him develop them more though.
  • Yeah, where I am, he doesn't do much with his disciples. In fact, after picking them up, he doesn't seem to have much of a role in their life.

    Also, when does Yang Xi dies? I seriously cannot believe he survives this long (chapter 800)! He and his sister should've died 200 chapters ago!
    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • Yeah, where I am, he doesn't do much with his disciples. In fact, after picking them up, he doesn't seem to have much of a role in their life.

    Also, when does Yang Xi dies? I seriously cannot believe he survives this long (chapter 800)! He and his sister should've died 200 chapters ago!
    I agree. I get that YC wants to slowly kill them/torture their minds (well more Yang Xi), but it's getting kind of prolonged at this point. I forget at which chapter I read, but it was past 800 and they were still alive.
  • Yeah, where I am, he doesn't do much with his disciples. In fact, after picking them up, he doesn't seem to have much of a role in their life.

    Also, when does Yang Xi dies? I seriously cannot believe he survives this long (chapter 800)! He and his sister should've died 200 chapters ago!
    He dies at Chapter 1218 for real. They also killed his puppet doppelganger a hundred or so chapter ago. He also helps YC since his control of Zhao family cause mutual destruction of Profound Heaven Sect and Zhao thus YC profits hella much by robbing both super powers. His living wasn't pointless since by living he brings quite valuable things as well as revenge chance to YC.
  • Salante said:
    Yeah, where I am, he doesn't do much with his disciples. In fact, after picking them up, he doesn't seem to have much of a role in their life.

    Also, when does Yang Xi dies? I seriously cannot believe he survives this long (chapter 800)! He and his sister should've died 200 chapters ago!
    He dies at Chapter 1218 for real. They also killed his puppet doppelganger a hundred or so chapter ago. He also helps YC since his control of Zhao family cause mutual destruction of Profound Heaven Sect and Zhao thus YC profits hella much by robbing both super powers. His living wasn't pointless since by living he brings quite valuable things as well as revenge chance to YC.
    they were literally kept alive just so they could be used to screw over any and every sect they went to 
  • edited September 2016
    The problem is that Yang Xi is the closest thing we have to a real antagonist in the story, but he's a character that no one likes to read about. At least, for me.

    Basically, he's has a pretty redundant part in the story. All of his chapters are all the same. He hates Yang Chen, shit talks him, and then tries to ruin him, but his schemes always backfires. Sprinkle in a lot of smug and self-pride and that's it. He should've died at chapter 700 and be replaced with a better villain. Or at least be demoted to extra status and his role should've been taken over by a named character who can actually threaten Yang Chen.

    Also, oh my God.

    The author actually did it! He pushed the reset button! Cause of his sworn brother, MC has to destroy his cultivation and start all over again! I hate it when this happens! Jeeze, why do so many authors think that it's a great idea to completely destroy the protagonist's cultivation and make him start from the very bottom again?

    Two hundred and fifty years goes by and he JUST barely reach his former level again? Not only that, even if he recovered completely, he's still going to be rock bottom! Man, as if his cultivation wasn't already slow enough.


    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • The problem is that Yang Xi is the closest thing we have to a real antagonist in the story, but he's a character that no one likes to read about. At least, for me.

    Basically, he's has a pretty redundant part in the story. All of his chapters are all the same. He hates Yang Chen, shit talks him, and then tries to ruin him, but his schemes always backfires. Sprinkle in a lot of smug and self-pride and that's it. He should've died at chapter 700 and be replaced with a better villain. Or at least be demoted to extra status and his role should've been taken over by a named character who can actually threaten Yang Chen.

    Also, oh my God.

    The author actually did it! He pushed the reset button! Cause of his sworn brother, MC has to destroy his cultivation and start all over again! I hate it when this happens! Jeeze, why do so many authors think that it's a great idea to completely destroy the protagonist's cultivation and make him start from the very bottom again?

    Two hundred and fifty years goes by and he JUST barely reach his former level again? Not only that, even if he recovered completely, he's still going to be rock bottom! Man, as if his cultivation wasn't already slow enough.


    Well, his body is strong enough that he can obliterate Golden Immortals at that stage so his cultivation doesn't really matter anyways. Also he tries a new faster, and stronger cultivation method which makes him extremely strong that besides his brother not even 10 jade emperors can take him on at the same level. It's quite a good way to buff him since he didn't need to fight at that time and saves quite troubles.
  • It's a reset button.

    Before this, Yang Chen spend seven hundred, nine hundred years to reach where he is. And nearly 70% of that time, he didn't even practice or make himself stronger, but instead focus that time to build his foundation and uses every trick he knows make his energy as pure as possible. Hell, even when he reach the Spirit Realm, he stayed the same rank for at least two hundred years in order to get used to a different environment and focus on making pills instead before he finally gets a promotion. All that is about laying down the groundworks for his future.

    Now, none of that matters. The author essentially wiped away all of his previous hard work and history just so Yang Chen can start all over with a new, better way of cultivation. It feels really, really cheap, like all of his past actions are irrelevant. After all, why did he focus so hard on a strong foundation when he'd just throw it all away cause there's a better method he just didn't realize yet. Why shouldn't he have done the bare minimum and push the reset button then? What? Is he gonna push the reset button again when he finds a better method a million years in the future? After all, it'd be sure to make him stronger in the long run.

    That's why I'm so annoyed. You could say that my problem with this decision is less technical and more sentimental.

    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • Wait in the recent chapters he reset his cultivation?
  • It's a pretty late development. Around chapter 850 - 950.

    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • It's a reset button.

    Before this, Yang Chen spend seven hundred, nine hundred years to reach where he is. And nearly 70% of that time, he didn't even practice or make himself stronger, but instead focus that time to build his foundation and uses every trick he knows make his energy as pure as possible. Hell, even when he reach the Spirit Realm, he stayed the same rank for at least two hundred years in order to get used to a different environment and focus on making pills instead before he finally gets a promotion. All that is about laying down the groundworks for his future.

    Now, none of that matters. The author essentially wiped away all of his previous hard work and history just so Yang Chen can start all over with a new, better way of cultivation. It feels really, really cheap, like all of his past actions are irrelevant. After all, why did he focus so hard on a strong foundation when he'd just throw it all away cause there's a better method he just didn't realize yet. Why shouldn't he have done the bare minimum and push the reset button then? What? Is he gonna push the reset button again when he finds a better method a million years in the future? After all, it'd be sure to make him stronger in the long run.

    That's why I'm so annoyed. You could say that my problem with this decision is less technical and more sentimental.

    annnnd the author can just delete the story thus far. Kind of agree, seems like the author just threw away the fist part of the story to me by doing this.
  • Alright so of the... ten "future talents" that the author made sure to mention, by last count, Yang Chen had collected four of them, there was another burst of two or three mentioned at one point but I wasn't sure if that was YC giving up on recruiting them, or what. Based on what is revealed about "natives" on the higher plains, I doubt any of the other "future talents" will be recruited as we go.

    Yang Chen recruited: Mu Bai, the monster tree swordsman; Hua Menyou, the plant cultivator; Ye You, the arrogant demon method user; Mo Chun Mei(?) the amazing talent alchemist.
    Pure Yang did not get: Chen Mo, swordsman; Yu Youyou, an apparent assassin; Bing Kong, I don't quite get his blurb but seems like he uses puppets and multiple swords; Yu Fan, double attribute cultivator that specialized in sword formations; Sa Nan, some sort of mutant with a super strong arm; Bei Fu the magic weapon making specialist.

    Now a fair number of those guys are just thugs, but considering how quickly Yang Chen's peers and his elders ascended, I'd imagine that Pure Yang Palace could use a few more brawlers. I mean, most of the "tactically" important characters were left behind in the mortal world, but Bei Fu and Bing Kong seem like valuable assets to ignore. Plus Sa Nan and Yu Fan both seem like very unique fighters... I'unno. Like a lot of Chinese novels, this one seems to fall apart once the hero ascends to another realm. Granted, it hasn't fallen too far apart, and I'm in volume 16 so... probably a good indicator, overall.
  • Alright so of the... ten "future talents" that the author made sure to mention, by last count, Yang Chen had collected four of them, there was another burst of two or three mentioned at one point but I wasn't sure if that was YC giving up on recruiting them, or what. Based on what is revealed about "natives" on the higher plains, I doubt any of the other "future talents" will be recruited as we go.

    Yang Chen recruited: Mu Bai, the monster tree swordsman; Hua Menyou, the plant cultivator; Ye You, the arrogant demon method user; Mo Chun Mei(?) the amazing talent alchemist.
    Pure Yang did not get: Chen Mo, swordsman; Yu Youyou, an apparent assassin; Bing Kong, I don't quite get his blurb but seems like he uses puppets and multiple swords; Yu Fan, double attribute cultivator that specialized in sword formations; Sa Nan, some sort of mutant with a super strong arm; Bei Fu the magic weapon making specialist.

    Now a fair number of those guys are just thugs, but considering how quickly Yang Chen's peers and his elders ascended, I'd imagine that Pure Yang Palace could use a few more brawlers. I mean, most of the "tactically" important characters were left behind in the mortal world, but Bei Fu and Bing Kong seem like valuable assets to ignore. Plus Sa Nan and Yu Fan both seem like very unique fighters... I'unno. Like a lot of Chinese novels, this one seems to fall apart once the hero ascends to another realm. Granted, it hasn't fallen too far apart, and I'm in volume 16 so... probably a good indicator, overall.
    TBH, even YC didn't get all the things in this novel. He gets what he can, true. But he also let his wives, friends get some goodies. Since PHS is destroyed on mortal world and other sects quite chummy with PYS it doesn't really matter who gets good talents anyways. His abilities generally unknown since he doesn't want to show off same goes for him being quite good when it comes to being a teacher. In case he gets all the good talent other sects will be suspicious about his abilities so they will want answers and he doesn't want to create unnecessary friction. He gets the 2 of the best of the fighters and 2 of the best of the utilities and makes them better anyways.
  • Salante said:
    Alright so of the... ten "future talents" that the author made sure to mention, by last count, Yang Chen had collected four of them, there was another burst of two or three mentioned at one point but I wasn't sure if that was YC giving up on recruiting them, or what. Based on what is revealed about "natives" on the higher plains, I doubt any of the other "future talents" will be recruited as we go.

    Yang Chen recruited: Mu Bai, the monster tree swordsman; Hua Menyou, the plant cultivator; Ye You, the arrogant demon method user; Mo Chun Mei(?) the amazing talent alchemist.
    Pure Yang did not get: Chen Mo, swordsman; Yu Youyou, an apparent assassin; Bing Kong, I don't quite get his blurb but seems like he uses puppets and multiple swords; Yu Fan, double attribute cultivator that specialized in sword formations; Sa Nan, some sort of mutant with a super strong arm; Bei Fu the magic weapon making specialist.

    Now a fair number of those guys are just thugs, but considering how quickly Yang Chen's peers and his elders ascended, I'd imagine that Pure Yang Palace could use a few more brawlers. I mean, most of the "tactically" important characters were left behind in the mortal world, but Bei Fu and Bing Kong seem like valuable assets to ignore. Plus Sa Nan and Yu Fan both seem like very unique fighters... I'unno. Like a lot of Chinese novels, this one seems to fall apart once the hero ascends to another realm. Granted, it hasn't fallen too far apart, and I'm in volume 16 so... probably a good indicator, overall.
    TBH, even YC didn't get all the things in this novel. He gets what he can, true. But he also let his wives, friends get some goodies. Since PHS is destroyed on mortal world and other sects quite chummy with PYS it doesn't really matter who gets good talents anyways. His abilities generally unknown since he doesn't want to show off same goes for him being quite good when it comes to being a teacher. In case he gets all the good talent other sects will be suspicious about his abilities so they will want answers and he doesn't want to create unnecessary friction. He gets the 2 of the best of the fighters and 2 of the best of the utilities and makes them better anyways.
    PYS destroyed ? what happen ?
    Sometime I try to speak English.
  • edited September 2016
    The one that gets destroyed is not MC's sect. MC actually contributed heavily to its destruction.

    Also....

    Ao Lan(dragon): Okay, you can use my friend's soul (dragon) as the spirit of your pill making stove,  but don't ever, ever give him away to anyone else.
    Yang Chan: I won't. I promise.

    Two hundred chapters later...

    Yang Chan: I'mma go away for a thousand years and hand this kickass stove with a dragon spirit over to my apprentice cause I'm so good now that I no longer need it. Later, suckas!

    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • The one that gets destroyed is not MC's sect. MC actually contributed heavily to its destruction.

    Also....

    Ao Lan(dragon): Okay, you can use my friend's soul (dragon) as the spirit of your pill making stove,  but don't ever, ever give him away to anyone else.
    Yang Chan: I won't. I promise.

    Two hundred chapters later...

    Yang Chan: I'mma go away for a thousand years and hand this kickass stove with a dragon spirit over to my apprentice cause I'm so good now that I no longer need it. Later, suckas!

    if i remenber correctly a that time the cualdron dosent have the dragon spirit but a vermilion bird spirit
  • A bird? Maybe the spirit is replaced by a bird later on, but right now, the cauldron spirit is a dragon. That's why all of Yang Chen's pills have the shape of a dragon imprinted on them. It's basically his signature in the Spirit Realm.

    It's the soul of the fire dragon whose body was trapped in a block of ice that Ao Lie resurrected in. It's the arc where Yang Chen got the fire dragon palace and figured he could scrap together a five element dragon palace to live in. Ao Lie was previously his cauldron's spirit, but after his resurrection, he handed the blank dragon soul over to Yang Chen to take over his role making pills. Then Ao Lan showed up (she was the one who kept the red dragon frozen) when she saw Ao Lie in the red dragon's body and nearly killed Yang Chen and his friends until they explained what happened.

    Note, dragons are extremely prideful (to the point where Ao Lie wanted to kill Yang Chen to stop anyone from knowing that he had previously served as Yang Chen's cauldron spirit), that that red dragon's original soul is hinted to be Ao Lan's lover, and she strongly orders Yang Chen to never give his cauldron to anyone else in exchange for letting him have a dragon soul for a cauldron spirit. Not only that, Yang Chen later became very close friends with both Ao Lan and Ao Lie.

    A lot of Yang Chen's recent actions annoy me, but this just takes the cake..




    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • A bird? Maybe the spirit is replaced by a bird later on, but right now, the cauldron spirit is a dragon. That's why all of Yang Chen's pills have the shape of a dragon imprinted on them. It's basically his signature in the Spirit Realm.

    It's the soul of the fire dragon whose body was trapped in a block of ice that Ao Lie resurrected in. It's the arc where Yang Chen got the fire dragon palace and figured he could scrap together a five element dragon palace to live in. Ao Lie was previously his cauldron's spirit, but after his resurrection, he handed the blank dragon soul over to Yang Chen to take over his role making pills. Then Ao Lan showed up (she was the one who kept the red dragon frozen) when she saw Ao Lie in the red dragon's body and nearly killed Yang Chen and his friends until they explained what happened.

    Note, dragons are extremely prideful (to the point where Ao Lie wanted to kill Yang Chen to stop anyone from knowing that he had previously served as Yang Chen's cauldron spirit), that that red dragon's original soul is hinted to be Ao Lan's lover, and she strongly orders Yang Chen to never give his cauldron to anyone else in exchange for letting him have a dragon soul for a cauldron spirit. Not only that, Yang Chen later became very close friends with both Ao Lan and Ao Lie.

    A lot of Yang Chen's recent actions annoy me, but this just takes the cake..




    Spoiler:
    Well the real reason he give the cauldron is because cauldron itself restricting his improvement as alchemist. He feels like if he has cauldron at best he can be level 8 alchemist not nine since cauldron will upgrade it 9 and he probably won't bother anymore. As well as having cauldron makes his alchemy way too easy since it's has tons of flames and too easy to control. If he can't experience hardships he can't become level 9 alchemist. These are the main reasons. [/spoilers]
  • Salante said:
    A bird? Maybe the spirit is replaced by a bird later on, but right now, the cauldron spirit is a dragon. That's why all of Yang Chen's pills have the shape of a dragon imprinted on them. It's basically his signature in the Spirit Realm.

    It's the soul of the fire dragon whose body was trapped in a block of ice that Ao Lie resurrected in. It's the arc where Yang Chen got the fire dragon palace and figured he could scrap together a five element dragon palace to live in. Ao Lie was previously his cauldron's spirit, but after his resurrection, he handed the blank dragon soul over to Yang Chen to take over his role making pills. Then Ao Lan showed up (she was the one who kept the red dragon frozen) when she saw Ao Lie in the red dragon's body and nearly killed Yang Chen and his friends until they explained what happened.

    Note, dragons are extremely prideful (to the point where Ao Lie wanted to kill Yang Chen to stop anyone from knowing that he had previously served as Yang Chen's cauldron spirit), that that red dragon's original soul is hinted to be Ao Lan's lover, and she strongly orders Yang Chen to never give his cauldron to anyone else in exchange for letting him have a dragon soul for a cauldron spirit. Not only that, Yang Chen later became very close friends with both Ao Lan and Ao Lie.

    A lot of Yang Chen's recent actions annoy me, but this just takes the cake..




    Well the real reason he give the cauldron is because cauldron itself restricting his improvement as alchemist. He feels like if he has cauldron at best he can be level 8 alchemist not nine since cauldron will upgrade it 9 and he probably won't bother anymore. As well as having cauldron makes his alchemy way too easy since it's has tons of flames and too easy to control. If he can't experience hardships he can't become level 9 alchemist. These are the main reasons. [/spoilers]
    Spoiler:
    That definitely doesn't excuse his actions.

    Just because he wants to pursue a higher realm of alchemy doesn't mean that Yang Chen has to give his cauldron away. He just needed to use a different cauldron or none at all. At the very least, he should've taken the dragon soul back and gave an empty cauldron with all the fires to his apprentice instead, that's what I expected, but he just gave it to his apprentice wholesale.

    Yang Chen made a promise and he obviously didn't care one bit about it, or the dragons whom he claimed friendship to. I love Yang Chen at the beginning, but as I read further and further, my opinion of his character goes lower and lower. He knows how prideful the dragons are, he knows who that dragon is and what he meant to Ao Lan. He made a solemn promise to a friend and broke it the moment he doesn't need the cauldron anymore. What does that say about him?

    It's like if my Dad gave me a watch for graduation and I immediately sold it because watches went out of fashion. Only a lot worse.

    No wonder the author snipped this off so soon. I actually thought that this has the potential to last at least five hundred more chapters. At chapter 1,100 right now and the MC is still in the Spirit World. So at best, there might be 200 chapter left devoted to the Immortal Realm and that's it.


    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • edited September 2016
    That's a bit disappointing. I thought YC was one of the few logical characters that had decent morals.
  • edited September 2016
    I find the pacing and segregation of arcs in IE very weird. More than half the novel is spend on his crusade in the Mortal World(16 volumes) while the Spirit world and Immortal World only had a few volumes each. Seriously? About 2/3 of the novel is spend on "low level" content and setting. I get that it helps with the introductory narrative but that makes the mid and end part of the story feel rushed. Add to the cultivation reset, basically it feels like as if 16 volumes gone to waste.
  • Salante said:
    A bird? Maybe the spirit is replaced by a bird later on, but right now, the cauldron spirit is a dragon. That's why all of Yang Chen's pills have the shape of a dragon imprinted on them. It's basically his signature in the Spirit Realm.

    It's the soul of the fire dragon whose body was trapped in a block of ice that Ao Lie resurrected in. It's the arc where Yang Chen got the fire dragon palace and figured he could scrap together a five element dragon palace to live in. Ao Lie was previously his cauldron's spirit, but after his resurrection, he handed the blank dragon soul over to Yang Chen to take over his role making pills. Then Ao Lan showed up (she was the one who kept the red dragon frozen) when she saw Ao Lie in the red dragon's body and nearly killed Yang Chen and his friends until they explained what happened.

    Note, dragons are extremely prideful (to the point where Ao Lie wanted to kill Yang Chen to stop anyone from knowing that he had previously served as Yang Chen's cauldron spirit), that that red dragon's original soul is hinted to be Ao Lan's lover, and she strongly orders Yang Chen to never give his cauldron to anyone else in exchange for letting him have a dragon soul for a cauldron spirit. Not only that, Yang Chen later became very close friends with both Ao Lan and Ao Lie.

    A lot of Yang Chen's recent actions annoy me, but this just takes the cake..




    Well the real reason he give the cauldron is because cauldron itself restricting his improvement as alchemist. He feels like if he has cauldron at best he can be level 8 alchemist not nine since cauldron will upgrade it 9 and he probably won't bother anymore. As well as having cauldron makes his alchemy way too easy since it's has tons of flames and too easy to control. If he can't experience hardships he can't become level 9 alchemist. These are the main reasons. [/spoilers]
    Spoiler:
    That definitely doesn't excuse his actions.

    Just because he wants to pursue a higher realm of alchemy doesn't mean that Yang Chen has to give his cauldron away. He just needed to use a different cauldron or none at all. At the very least, he should've taken the dragon soul back and gave an empty cauldron with all the fires to his apprentice instead, that's what I expected, but he just gave it to his apprentice wholesale.

    Yang Chen made a promise and he obviously didn't care one bit about it, or the dragons whom he claimed friendship to. I love Yang Chen at the beginning, but as I read further and further, my opinion of his character goes lower and lower. He knows how prideful the dragons are, he knows who that dragon is and what he meant to Ao Lan. He made a solemn promise to a friend and broke it the moment he doesn't need the cauldron anymore. What does that say about him?

    It's like if my Dad gave me a watch for graduation and I immediately sold it because watches went out of fashion. Only a lot worse.

    No wonder the author snipped this off so soon. I actually thought that this has the potential to last at least five hundred more chapters. At chapter 1,100 right now and the MC is still in the Spirit World. So at best, there might be 200 chapter left devoted to the Immortal Realm and that's it.



    Sorry but please read the story before or ask if you didn't understand something before posting bullshit.
    The dragon soul was long gone when he gave the furnance his disciple. When he gave it away the dragon spirit was replaced by some sort of firebird.
    The dragon spirit was at the time already living in a new body.

  • edited September 2016
    Eddio said:
    Salante said:
    A bird? Maybe the spirit is replaced by a bird later on, but right now, the cauldron spirit is a dragon. That's why all of Yang Chen's pills have the shape of a dragon imprinted on them. It's basically his signature in the Spirit Realm.

    It's the soul of the fire dragon whose body was trapped in a block of ice that Ao Lie resurrected in. It's the arc where Yang Chen got the fire dragon palace and figured he could scrap together a five element dragon palace to live in. Ao Lie was previously his cauldron's spirit, but after his resurrection, he handed the blank dragon soul over to Yang Chen to take over his role making pills. Then Ao Lan showed up (she was the one who kept the red dragon frozen) when she saw Ao Lie in the red dragon's body and nearly killed Yang Chen and his friends until they explained what happened.

    Note, dragons are extremely prideful (to the point where Ao Lie wanted to kill Yang Chen to stop anyone from knowing that he had previously served as Yang Chen's cauldron spirit), that that red dragon's original soul is hinted to be Ao Lan's lover, and she strongly orders Yang Chen to never give his cauldron to anyone else in exchange for letting him have a dragon soul for a cauldron spirit. Not only that, Yang Chen later became very close friends with both Ao Lan and Ao Lie.

    A lot of Yang Chen's recent actions annoy me, but this just takes the cake..




    Well the real reason he give the cauldron is because cauldron itself restricting his improvement as alchemist. He feels like if he has cauldron at best he can be level 8 alchemist not nine since cauldron will upgrade it 9 and he probably won't bother anymore. As well as having cauldron makes his alchemy way too easy since it's has tons of flames and too easy to control. If he can't experience hardships he can't become level 9 alchemist. These are the main reasons. [/spoilers]
    Spoiler:
    That definitely doesn't excuse his actions.

    Just because he wants to pursue a higher realm of alchemy doesn't mean that Yang Chen has to give his cauldron away. He just needed to use a different cauldron or none at all. At the very least, he should've taken the dragon soul back and gave an empty cauldron with all the fires to his apprentice instead, that's what I expected, but he just gave it to his apprentice wholesale.

    Yang Chen made a promise and he obviously didn't care one bit about it, or the dragons whom he claimed friendship to. I love Yang Chen at the beginning, but as I read further and further, my opinion of his character goes lower and lower. He knows how prideful the dragons are, he knows who that dragon is and what he meant to Ao Lan. He made a solemn promise to a friend and broke it the moment he doesn't need the cauldron anymore. What does that say about him?

    It's like if my Dad gave me a watch for graduation and I immediately sold it because watches went out of fashion. Only a lot worse.

    No wonder the author snipped this off so soon. I actually thought that this has the potential to last at least five hundred more chapters. At chapter 1,100 right now and the MC is still in the Spirit World. So at best, there might be 200 chapter left devoted to the Immortal Realm and that's it.



    Sorry but please read the story before or ask if you didn't understand something before posting bullshit.
    The dragon soul was long gone when he gave the furnance his disciple. When he gave it away the dragon spirit was replaced by some sort of firebird.
    The dragon spirit was at the time already living in a new body.

    I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong.

    I'm sure I haven't made any mistakes, but since two people have said that the spirit has been replaced by a bird, I'm getting a little nervous. Did I miss something? The way that some sites catalog this story can be a bit weird. Some sites have chapters out of place, some won't even have them and can skip like ten chapters at once, but I try to make sure that I'm reading the story in the right order. I am currently using piaotian, shumilou, and shushu8. Rather than read two hundred chapters again, can you please give me the chapter where the dragon revives or when the cauldron is replaced by a new soul?

    In the story, Yang Chen promised Ao Lan that he'll make the pill to revive her lover, but only when they reached the Immortal Realm. It's a very advanced recipe. He needed to be a rank 8 alchemist or above just for a shot. And he actually just a rank 7 alchemist and can only just barely break rank 8, which he needed to use a ton of  merits/karma just to do it. Also, he doesn't have all the ingredients and he said that the Spirit Realm's gravity or pressure isn't strong enough to ensure that the pill will form. At the moment he's still very much in the Spirit Realm.

    I'm trying to think back, when did Yang Chen have the opportunity? Even a normal pill needed him to retreat for three years to a couple decades. This pill, if he made it, would have needed a hundred to a thousand by my estimations, if what he said above was right and if he forced himself to make it in the Spirit Realm. So unless the author broke his own rules, an early resurrection seems unlikely.

    Sure, I might have missed a sentence or whatever where Yang Chen replaced the spirit with a bird, but you say the dragon has been revived and living in a new body... I don't remember the addition of a new dragon. Ao Lan and Ao Lie did bring back six other dragons into the story, but none of them were the reincarnation of that original dragon. Since then, most of the dragons have just been hanging around, trying to get used to the effects of dragonsbane (or whatever that plant is).


    EDIT:

    This is from the chapter where Yang Chen gave the furnace away:

    没有蕴灵炉,自然丹纹也不可能是龙纹,只是普通的丹纹。丹药看起来也十分的普通,一点都不起眼,完全没有那种高级丹药一看就各种光芒闪烁的好卖相。

    So... at the moment, the spirit in the furnace is still a dragon. Unless the firebird spirit can also cast the imprint of a dragon.


    EDIT2:

    Actually, nevermind. This is from chapter 1095:

    蕴灵炉对于提升自己的炼丹水准已经没有多少帮助,唯一的一个需要日后了结的问题就是其中的龙灵。

    等到杨晨能够炼制八转丹药的时候,要给熬澜炼制几颗功德炼体丸和功德合胎丹,以帮助龙灵重生之后彻底的融入龙傀儡肉身,同时要让龙傀儡五行兼全。

    这是当年杨晨和熬澜的协议,让慕容姐妹他们可以暂时使用龙傀儡,同时用五行灵力滋养龙傀儡,以待日后龙灵重生。

    At chapter 1096, Yang Chen gave his furnace away to his apprentice. So, unless the author really jumped the shark, the soul in the furnace is still a dragon. Not a firebird, not a vermillion bird. A dragon.

    Hehe, should've reread those two chapters first before I made my response.





    Actually, I think this is mead.
  • edited September 2016
    Eddio said:
    Salante said:
    A bird? Maybe the spirit is replaced by a bird later on, but right now, the cauldron spirit is a dragon. That's why all of Yang Chen's pills have the shape of a dragon imprinted on them. It's basically his signature in the Spirit Realm.

    It's the soul of the fire dragon whose body was trapped in a block of ice that Ao Lie resurrected in. It's the arc where Yang Chen got the fire dragon palace and figured he could scrap together a five element dragon palace to live in. Ao Lie was previously his cauldron's spirit, but after his resurrection, he handed the blank dragon soul over to Yang Chen to take over his role making pills. Then Ao Lan showed up (she was the one who kept the red dragon frozen) when she saw Ao Lie in the red dragon's body and nearly killed Yang Chen and his friends until they explained what happened.

    Note, dragons are extremely prideful (to the point where Ao Lie wanted to kill Yang Chen to stop anyone from knowing that he had previously served as Yang Chen's cauldron spirit), that that red dragon's original soul is hinted to be Ao Lan's lover, and she strongly orders Yang Chen to never give his cauldron to anyone else in exchange for letting him have a dragon soul for a cauldron spirit. Not only that, Yang Chen later became very close friends with both Ao Lan and Ao Lie.

    A lot of Yang Chen's recent actions annoy me, but this just takes the cake..




    Well the real reason he give the cauldron is because cauldron itself restricting his improvement as alchemist. He feels like if he has cauldron at best he can be level 8 alchemist not nine since cauldron will upgrade it 9 and he probably won't bother anymore. As well as having cauldron makes his alchemy way too easy since it's has tons of flames and too easy to control. If he can't experience hardships he can't become level 9 alchemist. These are the main reasons. [/spoilers]
    Spoiler:
    That definitely doesn't excuse his actions.

    Just because he wants to pursue a higher realm of alchemy doesn't mean that Yang Chen has to give his cauldron away. He just needed to use a different cauldron or none at all. At the very least, he should've taken the dragon soul back and gave an empty cauldron with all the fires to his apprentice instead, that's what I expected, but he just gave it to his apprentice wholesale.

    Yang Chen made a promise and he obviously didn't care one bit about it, or the dragons whom he claimed friendship to. I love Yang Chen at the beginning, but as I read further and further, my opinion of his character goes lower and lower. He knows how prideful the dragons are, he knows who that dragon is and what he meant to Ao Lan. He made a solemn promise to a friend and broke it the moment he doesn't need the cauldron anymore. What does that say about him?

    It's like if my Dad gave me a watch for graduation and I immediately sold it because watches went out of fashion. Only a lot worse.

    No wonder the author snipped this off so soon. I actually thought that this has the potential to last at least five hundred more chapters. At chapter 1,100 right now and the MC is still in the Spirit World. So at best, there might be 200 chapter left devoted to the Immortal Realm and that's it.



    Sorry but please read the story before or ask if you didn't understand something before posting bullshit.
    The dragon soul was long gone when he gave the furnance his disciple. When he gave it away the dragon spirit was replaced by some sort of firebird.
    The dragon spirit was at the time already living in a new body.

    I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong.

    I'm sure I haven't made any mistakes, but since two people have said that the spirit has been replaced by a bird, I'm getting a little nervous. Did I miss something? The way that some sites catalog this story can be a bit weird. Some sites have chapters out of place, some won't even have them and can skip like ten chapters at once, but I try to make sure that I'm reading the story in the right order. I am currently using piaotian, shumilou, and shushu8. Rather than read two hundred chapters again, can you please give me the chapter where the dragon revives or when the cauldron is replaced by a new soul?

    In the story, Yang Chen promised Ao Lan that he'll make the pill to revive her lover, but only when they reached the Immortal Realm. It's a very advanced recipe. He needed to be a rank 9 alchemist or above just for a shot. And he actually just a rank 7 alchemist and can only just barely break rank 8, which he needed to use a ton of  merits/karma just to do it. Also, he doesn't have all the ingredients and he said that the Spirit Realm's gravity or pressure isn't strong enough to ensure that the pill will form. At the moment he's still very much in the Spirit Realm.

    I'm trying to think back, when did Yang Chen have the opportunity? Even a normal pill needed him to retreat for three years to a couple decades. This pill, if he made it, would have needed a hundred to a thousand by my estimations, if what he said above was right and if he forced himself to make it in the Spirit Realm. So unless the author broke his own rules, an early resurrection seems unlikely.

    Sure, I might have missed a sentence or whatever where Yang Chen replaced the spirit with a bird, but you say the dragon has been revived and living in a new body... I don't remember the addition of a new dragon. Ao Lan and Ao Lie did bring back six other dragons into the story, but none of them were the reincarnation of that original dragon. Since then, most of the dragons have just been hanging around, trying to get used to the effects of dragonsbane (or whatever that plant is).


    EDIT:

    This is from the chapter where Yang Chen gave the furnace away:

    没有蕴灵炉,自然丹纹也不可能是龙纹,只是普通的丹纹。丹药看起来也十分的普通,一点都不起眼,完全没有那种高级丹药一看就各种光芒闪烁的好卖相。

    So... at the moment, the spirit in the furnace is still a dragon. Unless the firebird spirit can also cast the imprint of a dragon.







    sorry for being too rough with my choice of words

    I re-read the part and yeah at the time the dragon soul was stil inside the furnance. Sorry about that.
    About the pill. I never read that the pill needed special gravitiy or something. At the time Yang Chen was ready to refine the pill he was already a rank 8 alchemist and he refined it. Also the part of reching the Immortal Realm to refine the pill was the estimation of Ao Lan. The problem about that pill was that it needed tons of merit and a lot of rare materials. And also the danger that in case of an failure the spirit would be forever lost.
    The body I mentioned was the dragon body that was refined into a puppet that Yang Chen found when he and his wives where opening the seals which he gifted his quintuplets.



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